@ghost-of-a-duke saidDeath is part of the issue with sin, scripture tells us that at the beginning. If you think death is just a natural part of life, what is your complaint about it? How we die no matter who and why would be just a natural part of life! The fact we all know that its wrong, leads me to not reject God, but to know something is wrong, with how things are supposed to be. A "supposed to be" means then the plan is off, something wrong occurred happen. That cannot happen with a universe that doesn't have plan or purpose in it.
Okay Kelly. Specifically, how is, 'pain and suffering are required for living! Both teach us of what to do and avoid,' applicable to a child dying of a terminal illness?!
Again, why are you offering things that are completely irrelevant to the kind of suffering I am referencing? Seriously?!
And 'yes' I know the suffering of an innocent child is an extreme example. ...[text shortened]... cable to reality with children suffering such terminal illnesses around the world on a daily basis).
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@kellyjay saidThere are many terminal illnesses kelly where there is 'no healing.' Would you like a list?
You would prefer the child not suffer and show signs something is wrong to attempt to heal them?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidJust a FYI I am answering the question I see, it may not be the one you are asking. If you would be clearer it would help, because right now I feel I have address your question and you are ignoring the answers.
Okay Kelly. Specifically, how is, 'pain and suffering are required for living! Both teach us of what to do and avoid,' applicable to a child dying of a terminal illness?!
Again, why are you offering things that are completely irrelevant to the kind of suffering I am referencing? Seriously?!
And 'yes' I know the suffering of an innocent child is an extreme example. ...[text shortened]... cable to reality with children suffering such terminal illnesses around the world on a daily basis).
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI don’t need a list, you still are not clear when I look back at what has been said to you.
There are many terminal illnesses kelly where there is 'no healing.' Would you like a list?
Pain and suffering are part of life, a required part to warn us of dangers and bad consequences and ideas!
We all share in them the good and bad, righteous and evil, innocent and guilty there are no lines that separates one from another in the affairs of man, we go through them as common events.
You want to say that this is not right or just? This according to your personal opinion since it is not one shared by all?
If you were God you would do it differently therefore God cannot be real, because His ways are not as just as yours?
What are you looking for?
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The wording in the title of this thread was carefully chosen. It does not read 'Reasons God does not exist.' (I am laying out reasons for 'disbelief' not necessarily clear cut 'evidence' of non-existence. Or, if you prefer, 'insurmountable barriers' to belief). The title also does not read, 'Reason for disbelief in God.' It is more specific than that. It reads, Reasons for disbelief in 'the Christian God.'
Now, by 'Christian God' I am referencing the God who has been invested with attributes such as omnipotence, omniscience, and omnibenevolence, and it is this particular God that I have highlighted as incongruent with the suffering of an innocent. - In short such suffering is a strong 'reason for disbelief' in such a God. He can be all-powerful 'OR' all-loving. He cannot be both.
I believe I have been extremely clear on this from the very first post. Most of your responses have dealt with a very different kind of suffering from the one I am asking about, such as that caused by free will or the like. Indeed (and rather ironically) it has only been Chaney who has answered simply, he doesn't understand 'why' but has faith in God anyway. I don't like that answer, but at least he didn't try to dance around the real issue.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidCare to respond as what is missing from the answers you have been given, I have no idea what you are looking for?
No. To answer the question I have asked, not an easier one of his choosing.
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@kellyjay saidDon't worry about it kelly.
Care to respond as what is missing from the answers you have been given, I have no idea what you are looking for?
(My 2nd post on this page alone is more than sufficient).
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI am not attempting to dance around anything, I am not fond of giving answers that I know are not going to be received well but will if I think they are the truth.
@KellyJay
The wording in the title of this thread was carefully chosen. It does not read 'Reasons God does not exist.' (I am laying out reasons for 'disbelief' not necessarily clear cut 'evidence' of non-existence. Or, if you prefer, 'insurmountable barriers' to belief). The title also does not read, 'Reason for disbelief in God.' It is more specific than that. It ...[text shortened]... in God anyway. I don't like that answer, but at least he didn't try to dance around the real issue.
I am going to stop trying to answer you simply because I think we’re not clear about what the other needs or wants. This is not an attempt to cast blame, if this is the worst between us we’ll be in great shape!
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@kellyjay saidAnd at the end of the day, I have nicer shoes.
I am not attempting to dance around anything, I am not fond of giving answers that I know are not going to be received well but will if I think they are the truth.
I am going to stop trying to answer you simply because I think we’re not clear about what the other needs or wants. This is not an attempt to cast blame, if this is the worst between us we’ll be in great shape!
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI wear sandals so yeah! 😉
And at the end of the day, I have nicer shoes.