Respect for the Spiritual Path of others

@kellyjay said
Professing our works get us to God ignoring God's grace, and refusing to acknowledge Jesus' Words that say if we deny Him before man, He will deny us before the Father. That interpretation does away the truth of scripture as it is to make it fit into a works doctrine of earning our way to God by doing enough good works.

Do these words of yours mean that you are telling fellow followers of Jesus that they have no obligation to obey His commandments and do good works?

@kellyjay said
You cannot be that dense, if someone brings a question to you about anything it has become a topic, and you have avoided specific questions to you for years.

Right KJ.

Following are some "specific questions" for you - which by your definition are all on-topic:

Have you ever performed oral sex on a woman?

Have you ever had anal sex with a woman?

Have you ever had any kind of sex with a man, including oral or anal?

In your lifetime, with how many women have you had any kind of sex?

In your lifetime, with how many men have you had any kind of sex?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhanes/nhanes_11_12/sxq_acasi.pdf

There are plenty more where those came from. This may deserve its own thread: "KJ demonstrates how he answers all questions".

BTW, your dodge of the main point of my post has been noted.

@thinkofone said
Right KJ.

Following are some "specific questions" for you - which by your definition are all on-topic:

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Have you ever performed oral sex on a woman?

Have you ever had anal sex with a woman?

Have you ever had any kind of sex with a man, including oral or anal?

In your lifetime, with how many women have you had any kind of sex?

In your lifetime, w ...[text shortened]... rates how he answers all questions".

BTW, your dodge of the main point of my post has been noted.

What a sad life you live.

@kellyjay said
What a sad life you live.

Can't say as I really expected you to have the integrity to admit the absurdity of your assertion. Instead you went with the ad hom which is pretty much par for the course for you.

For the record, the following details our discussion of this particular topic:

KJ: You avoid many things/questions that are put to you, finding ways to run and hide all the while judging others for this.

ToO: This is a lie. I address on-topic posts / questions probably more than anyone else on this forum including you. What I don't address are off-topic posts / questions. No matter how often you repeat your lie, it won't make it true.

KJ: You cannot be that dense, if someone brings a question to you about anything it has become a topic...

Followed by KJ's refusal to answer what would be ON-TOPIC questions according to his assertion. Go figure.

BTW, your on-going dodge of the main point of my earlier post has been noted.

@thinkofone said
Can't say as I really expected you to have the integrity to admit the absurdity of your assertion. Instead you went with the ad hom which is pretty much par for the course for you.

For the record, the following details our discussion of this particular topic:

KJ: You avoid many things/questions that are put to you, finding ways to run and hide all the while j ...[text shortened]... topic...

BTW, your on-going dodge of the main point of my earlier post has been noted.

Well, I tell you what if we ever have a talk about what we have done sexually all questions would in play, but we are not. The very fact you went there shows the depravity of your mind, not one that I, or anyone else I think would go to for spiritual instruction and criticism, but you never know there maybe a couple hard to say.

@kellyjay said
Well, I tell you what if we ever have a talk about what we have done sexually all questions would in play, but we are not. The very fact you went there shows the depravity of your mind, not one that I, or anyone else I think would go to for spiritual instruction and criticism, but you never know there maybe a couple hard to say.

It was YOUR assertion KJ. Not mine.

You continue to lack the integrity to admit the absurdity of your assertion. Would it kill you to admit the truth?

And once again instead of admitting it, you went with another ad hom which is pretty much par for the course for you.

Once again, the following details our discussion of this particular topic:

KJ: You avoid many things/questions that are put to you, finding ways to run and hide all the while judging others for this.

ToO: This is a lie. I address on-topic posts / questions probably more than anyone else on this forum including you. What I don't address are off-topic posts / questions. No matter how often you repeat your lie, it won't make it true.

KJ: You cannot be that dense, if someone brings a question to you about anything it has become a topic...

Followed by KJ's refusal to answer what would be ON-TOPIC questions according to his assertion. Go figure.

Evidently YOU are "THAT DENSE" that you don't understand that "if someone brings a question to you about anything it has become a topic".

BTW, your on-going on-going dodge of the main point of my earlier post has been noted.

@kellyjay said
You either accept it or you don't, that was my question to you! So Jesus is not the Way, the truth, and the Life so that no one came come to the Father but through Him, you think Jesus lied?

You believe there are other Messiahs not just Jesus, are there other gods people go to beside the God of the Bible as there are other messiahs?

"You either accept it or you don't, that was my question to you! So Jesus is not the Way, the truth, and the Life so that no one came come to the Father but through Him, you think Jesus lied?"

No, you make some rather shrill, incorrect assumptions there, amigo.

I believe Jesus IS the Way, the Truth and the Life, yes. Not so sure about no one coming to God except through Jesus, though. As I said, other messiahs have different names. No, I do not think Jesus lied. Did you not get the part of what I said about "My Messiah's name is Jesus"?

"You believe there are other Messiahs not just Jesus, are there other gods people go to beside the God of the Bible as there are other messiahs?"

Can you even begin to understand just what a white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant vision this is? How self-centered it is? Yes, there are other messiahs, just as there are other Gods people believe in. Not everyone in the world is a Christian. But, believe it or not, they believe what they believe just as ardently, just as stridently, as you.

@eladar said
Lol you are such a hypocrite if you claim we should respect other's beliefs.

All I see is yet another Christian unwilling to follow Jesus.

@suzianne said
"You either accept it or you don't, that was my question to you! So Jesus is not the Way, the truth, and the Life so that no one came come to the Father but through Him, you think Jesus lied?"

No, you make some rather shrill, incorrect assumptions there, amigo.

I believe Jesus IS the Way, the Truth and the Life, yes. Not so sure about no one coming to God excep ...[text shortened]... But, believe it or not, they believe what they believe just as ardently, just as stridently, as you.

Its scripture as written the only assumption I'm making is that Jesus when He says He is the Way no one comes to the Father but through Him, is that Jesus is telling the truth. I don't care if you call Jesus your messiah. If you accept there are other ways to God then you might as well call Bob your messiah, that would be consistent with other messiahs can do the job too, wouldn't it?

John 14:5-7 English Standard Version (ESV)
Thomas said to him, "Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?" Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him."

It is not a PC gospel its God's Word, there is not corner on what is truth because of color, sex, or anything else due to us. Truth is very restrictive, anything not in line with truth is something else, error, lies, but not truth.

@kellyjay said
Its scripture as written the only assumption I'm making is that Jesus when He says He is the Way no one comes to the Father but through Him, is that Jesus is telling the truth. I don't care if you call Jesus your messiah. If you accept there are other ways to God then you might as well call Bob your messiah, that would be consistent with other messiahs can do the job too, wo ...[text shortened]... is very restrictive, anything not in line with truth is something else, error, lies, but not truth.

God's word to a specific group of people, within a specific time and place, and belonging to a specific culture, and hearing the message in their native language, presumably without it being altered or translated by others. Outside of Leviticus, I don't know of any other portion of the scriptures that anyone took literally at the time. There's no reason to assume that they believed everyone before them and everyone unexposed to their information was doomed.

The diversity of human languages, cultures, storytelling, and written/oral traditions suggest that any god who created such people would present them with a path that they could follow to a benevolent afterlife. A diverse world would naturally include diverse spiritualities.

It doesn't make sense that everyone on the planet should follow the teachings of a man from 2000 years ago from a vastly different culture and problem set from theirs as their path to god, especially when so few of his "devoted" followers do so today.

Should the planet's humans be doomed because xenophobes, pedophiles, and murderers make a religion look bad?

@sahuaro said
God's word to a specific group of people, within a specific time and place, and belonging to a specific culture, and hearing the message in their native language, presumably without it being altered or translated by others. Outside of Leviticus, I don't know of any other portion of the scriptures that anyone took literally at the time. There's no reason to assume that they b ...[text shortened]... he planet's humans be doomed because xenophobes, pedophiles, and murderers make a religion look bad?

If all that was in play were human terms, during human times, with nothing but written words of people long dead, and gone, you'd have a point. That is not the case; the scriptures point to in the OT a line from King David's Kingdom to an everlasting Kingdom. Jesus' birth, life, death, and rising from the dead were all foretold in the OT and NT. The aftermath of the birth, life, and death of Jesus Christ after He rose from the dead is a living hope for us even today!

Jesus Christ is not a dead teacher whose way of life we can take or leave. If you want to go along with the notion, anyone can be someone else's messiah. You can think that, but scripturally speaking, no you cannot, there is only Jesus Christ. Modern culture may try to be all-inclusive to the exclusion of scriptural truth, but that comes with a cost, I'm sure those that take their cultural norms over scripture think not, but it will not play out well.

@kellyjay said
If all that was in play were human terms, during human times, with nothing but written words of people long dead, and gone, you'd have a point. That is not the case; the scriptures point to in the OT a line from King David's Kingdom to an everlasting Kingdom. Jesus' birth, life, death, and rising from the dead were all foretold in the OT and NT. The aftermath of the birth, l ...[text shortened]... m sure those that take their cultural norms over scripture think not, but it will not play out well.

But, you know what? I don't think Jesus would be very happy about his "followers", who take his name in their religion, when they continually put down other religions and claim they are the "chosen ones" over a majority of the rest of the world. Quoting the Bible isn't exactly going to prove your position to people brought up under a different religion than you. Every time you, or I, or others quote the Bible as if it were the last word on any subject, this belittles other people who simply do not believe it.

Are we, as Christians, supposed to give these people a worse position in society, or do you think Jesus would be happier if we gave these people the very same respect that we demand for ourselves? Are we not commanded to love our neighbor? Regardless of their religion?

And, speaking of loving our neighbor, how dare we refuse to let people in who have come thousands of miles to claim asylum in our country! Aren't we bigger than that? We took in immigrants from all over the world for the first two hundred years of our existence. How can we turn our backs on the world now? Do we no longer lift our lamp beside the golden door?

@suzianne said
But, you know what? I don't think Jesus would be very happy about his "followers", who take his name in their religion, when they continually put down other religions and claim they are the "chosen ones" over a majority of the rest of the world. Quoting the Bible isn't exactly going to prove your position to people brought up under a different religion than you. Every tim ...[text shortened]... How can we turn our backs on the world now? Do we no longer lift our lamp beside the golden door?

Let us not jump all over the map here, is Jesus the truth or not, is He the only way to God or not? Lifting Jesus as the Word of God made flesh is either true or not! Can all truth claims about other religions be accurate at the same time? When Jesus made a truth claim about being the only way to God, He was either speaking the truth or not. When others say there are other ways to God, Jesus, and all others who state otherwise can not all be speaking the truth at the same time when statements contradict each other.

@kellyjay said
Let us not jump all over the map here, is Jesus the truth or not, is He the only way to God or not? Lifting Jesus as the Word of God made flesh is either true or not! Can all truth claims about other religions be accurate at the same time? When Jesus made a truth claim about being the only way to God, He was either speaking the truth or not. When others say there are other w ...[text shortened]... otherwise can not all be speaking the truth at the same time when statements contradict each other.

Jesus is the way to God, not Christianity. Christianity preaches a doctrine contrary to Christ and is the way to damnation. Jesus says that these people here enter the Kingdom of God :
- the peacemakers
- the charitable givers
- the merciful
- those who help the needy
- those who feed the poor
- those who clothe the naked
- the truthful
- the righteous

Jesus also condemned the Christianity types here:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7:21-23 KJV)

Christian types:
- profess faith, and calling Lord Lord with their mouth
- workers of miracles
- casting out devils
- making prophesies [mostly false]
- healers and doers of wonderful works

These are not good works and they will be cast out of the Kingdom of God, unless they do the good works Jesus described.

Jesus is the way to the Kingdom of God
Jesus is the truth of the good works that is required to enter the Kingdom of God
Jesus is the life - life eternal, and the judge of who gets life eternal and who gets eternal death.