The danger of a morality based on religion

@secondson said
While your box is bounded by the knowledge of man, which exists in a closed system of endless speculation.

Religious folklore and doctrines are "knowledge of man".

@fmf said
What are you on about? I said this to you a couple of months ago. I said it to you about four months ago. I said it to in the early part of the year, several times. I said it to you about six times in 2018. I said it to you maybe 6-8 times in 2017.

So then what is it about conscientiousness that you think is evidential of the supernatural?

@fmf said
Religious folklore and doctrines are "knowledge of man".

Your take on religion is the knowledge of man.

@fmf said
No I am not. If you want to know what I am saying "essentially", then just read what I wrote.

I read what you wrote and I'm trying to get at what it is you mean by what you say.

If, as you say, religion is the "diverse upshot of the human condition", based on cultural, psychological and anthropological influences, what then are the influences, if any, that are the causes for the supernatural aspects of religion?

I can understand how culture, psychology and anthropology can affect religious practices, rites, rituals and other observances, but those things are observed outwardly.

It seems to me that there is a force that acts on the inward parts of a man, such as his conscience, that is not measurable by the physical senses, that transcends three dimensions, and gives meaning to the term spiritual.

@fmf said
Don't you believe that all religions - aside from your own - are fabrications?

The word "religion" is a blanket term used to refer to a belief system one holds to, and since there are so many we use the term to cover the most territory.

This is what I believe: Ephesians 4:4-6 "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."(believers)

All other faiths are counterfeits.

@fmf said
All we are doing is sharing our perspectives based on our speculation.

Well, I'm sharing with you something I hope you will eventually begin to understand.

Supernaturally that is!

@whodey said
Notice how they just ignore us and the facts.

Very telling

Yep. It's difficult to see the facts when one is busy finding fault.

@fmf said
Religion is belief in/worship of a supernatural controlling power. You don't seem to know what the word "teligionist" means.

So you've never heard the term "religious" used to refer to an individual's obsession with something other that God?

You are definitely religious about you objections to things supernatural. You obsess over it here everyday.

@fmf said
On the contrary, my mind is open to the possibility of supernatural causality. I must have told you this a dozen times in the last couple of years.

Yes, I've heard you say so, but I see little evidence that your mind is open about it at all.

I made it to the top of page four. As soon as I get a chance I'll work my way through it.

@fmf said
It is literally just about as non-religious as one can get.

I'll make a deal with you. I won't say you're a religionist if you won't call my faith a religion.

@secondson said
I read what you wrote and I'm trying to get at what it is you mean by what you say.

If, as you say, religion is the "diverse upshot of the human condition", based on cultural, psychological and anthropological influences, what then are the influences, if any, that are the causes for the supernatural aspects of religion?

I can understand how culture, psychology and ant ...[text shortened]... e by the physical senses, that transcends three dimensions, and gives meaning to the term spiritual.

There's nothing here for me to respond to that isn't covered by the stuff I've already said.

@secondson said
So you've never heard the term "religious" used to refer to an individual's obsession with something other that God?

Yes but I think it's silly and gimmicky to do so when adherents to religions - like you - are talking to agonostic atheists - like me - about religion on a forum like this [where belief in/worship of God figures by way of "revealed" religions] is one of the most prominent topics. So I refuse to play along.

@secondson said
I'll make a deal with you. I won't say you're a religionist if you won't call my faith a religion.

Post as you see fit.

@secondson said
You are definitely religious about you objections to things supernatural. You obsess over it here everyday.

"Obsess"? This is a debate and discussion forum about supernatural things. I contribute to it. I share my perspective.

@secondson said
All other faiths are counterfeits.

You're going down a rabbit hole as far as I am concerned if you are going to insist that Christianity is not a religion. Yes, I get it: you are very, very, very certain that your religion is right, and all the other religions are wrong. I get that that's what you believe.