The Garden of Eden

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am asking you effhim for the last time, does something need to be explicitly stated in scripture or not for it to have a validity of its own? I stated that it does not and provided an example. That is not merely an opinion, its a substantiated assertion based on reason and evidence.

Your opinion about the Bible and smoking cigarettes is noted. But I am not interested in cigarettes. I am interested in how opinions you don't agree with are deemed to be "self-certified" while this label is never applied to either your or galveston75's opinions. The scripture here is "not explicitly stated", you have a "plausible" theory, and you believe you have "deduced" something. And yet you deny that your resulting belief is your own opinion. If it's not your personal opinion that you are right, then whose personal opinion is it?

Originally posted by FMF
Your opinion about the Bible and smoking cigarettes is noted. But I am not interested in cigarettes. I am interested in how opinions you don't agree with are deemed to be "self-certified" while this label is never applied to either your or galveston75's opinions. The scripture here is "not explicitly stated", you have a "plausible" theory, and you believe you ha ...[text shortened]... pinion. If it's not your personal opinion that you are right, then whose personal opinion is it?

Some things are simply self evident effhim after one examines the evidence.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
He said that he will be here waiting for the Gman, that he did not explicitly state that he was a stalker is not relevant, it may be inferred from what he did say, that he will be here waiting for the Gman. He said it himself.

I am waiting for whodey to respond to my comments on the '"Individualism" & the human spirit'. This is the only arena in which I can engage him. Waiti8ng for his next comment is not "stalking" him. If you are genuinely not trying to be funny with this, then you are just being daft and unpleasant. You started this "stalker" thing shortly after this post by divegeester, to which you have no answer, so people can easily figure what is going on here:


Originally posted by divegeester
But earlier in this thread I challenged you when you tried to initially support Galveston and you said

robbie: "I am not interested in anything than what is written in scripture"

But now on the previous page you are saying:

robbie that something is not explicitly written in scripture is neither here nor there

You seem to be changing your opinion quite dramatically as you wriggle to support Galveston's "self certified opinion".[/b]

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Some things are simply self evident effhim after one examines the evidence.

And it is your personal opinion that they are "self evident".

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its an inference from scripture and a plausibility. so you were telling us how, given the example that I cited of cigarettes why their not being explicitly mentioned in scripture has any bearing on the veracity of the claim that their use is forbidden in scripture the Christian being counselled to refrain from anything which defiles the spirit or flesh.

If, in your personal opinion, the Bible forbids you from smoking cigarettes, then there is no reason why you should not act in accordance with that belief.

Originally posted by FMF
And it is your personal opinion that they are "self evident".

I think your statement is self contradictory.

Originally posted by FMF
If, in your personal opinion, the Bible forbids you from smoking cigarettes, then there is no reason why you should not act in accordance with that belief.

its not my personal opinion, it can be deduced from scripture. Smoking is clearly a defilement of the flesh. The Bible counsels a Christian to avoid anything which defiles the spirit and the flesh.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
its not my personal opinion, it can be deduced from scripture. Smoking is clearly a defilement of the flesh. The Bible counsels a Christian to avoid anything which defiles the spirit and the flesh.

This is your personal opinion: "Smoking is clearly a defilement of the flesh. The Bible counsels a Christian to avoid anything which defiles the spirit and the flesh." There are no doubt other Christians whose personal opinion on this issue [a prohibition on smoking] coincides with yours, and still others whose opinion will be different. You should by all means live your life in accordance with your principles.

Originally posted by FMF
This is your personal opinion: [b]"Smoking is clearly a defilement of the flesh. The Bible counsels a Christian to avoid anything which defiles the spirit and the flesh." There are no doubt other Christians whose personal opinion on this issue [a prohibition on smoking] coincides with yours, and still others whose opinion will be different. You should by all means live your life in accordance with your principles.[/b]

Umm you don’t think that there is evidence, irrespective of my opinion which demonstrates that smoking defiles the flesh?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Umm you don’t think that there is evidence, irrespective of my opinion which demonstrates that smoking defiles the flesh?

I have no reason to believe that the Bible is prohibiting smoking cigarettes. But then, that is my opinion. Just as your opinion is that the Bible prohibits smoking cigarettes.

Originally posted by FMF
I am waiting for whodey to respond to my comments on the '"Individualism" & the human spirit'. This is the only arena in which I can engage him. Waiti8ng for his next comment is not "stalking" him. If you are genuinely not trying to be funny with this, then you are just being daft and unpleasant. You started this "stalker" thing shortly after this post by divege ...[text shortened]... r opinion quite dramatically as you wriggle to support Galveston's "self certified opinion".[/b]

Galveston possibly won’t return to the thread but it doesn't matter, I think the point has again been painfully demonstrated that the RHP resident Jehovah's Witnesses lack the humility to admit when they are wrong.

The way robbie carrobie has ducked and dived, changing his interest in this topic and his claimed perspective of value of supporting Biblical scripture as Galveston's forum etiquette issue escalated from challenge to farce, has been another extraordinary insight into these men and their values.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Umm you don’t think that there is evidence, irrespective of my opinion which demonstrates that smoking defiles the flesh?

Irrespective of your opinion? You've just stated that you don't have an opinion to express on this matter. I find it ludicrous and implausible that a God figure would prohibit 'smoking cigarettes'. What is more, I don't believe the Bible prohibits working in a coal mine either or cooking with firewood in a confined space or walking around Jakarta without wearing a mask either. If your personal opinion is different, that's fine.

Originally posted by divegeester
Galveston possibly won’t return to the thread but it doesn't matter, I think the point has again been painfully demonstrated that the RHP resident Jehovah's Witnesses lack the humility to admit when they are wrong.

The way robbie carrobie has ducked and dived, changing his interest in this topic and his claimed perspective of value of supporting Bibl ...[text shortened]... from challenge to farce, has been another extraordinary insight into these men and their values.

You creepy stalker! hows that for an insight into your values?

Originally posted by FMF
Irrespective of your opinion? You've just stated that you don't have an opinion to express on this matter. I find it ludicrous and implausible that a God figure would prohibit 'smoking cigarettes'. What is more, I don't believe the Bible prohibits working in a coal mine either or cooking with firewood in a confined space or walking around Jakarta without wearing a mask either. If your personal opinion is different, that's fine.

you cannot even bring yourself to acknowledge that smoking constitutes a defilement of the flesh, nor can you being yourself to admit that the Bible counsels a Christian to avoid anything which defiles the flesh and spirit making a mockery of any pretensions you harbour to formulate anything approaching reason.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you cannot even bring yourself to acknowledge that smoking constitutes a defilement of the flesh, nor can you being yourself to admit that the Bible counsels a Christian to avoid anything which defiles the flesh and spirit making a mockery of any pretensions you harbour to formulate anything approaching reason.

The very notion that a God figure prohibits smoking is absurd. Do you think your God figure prohibits the other things I mentioned that one could also claim "defile" people?