The god who burns people alive for eternity

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Why is it every time you post about Robert Govett I have to correct you on the spelling of his name?

Fair question.

It may be because the book cover is torn from age at two places. One at the top so that only the words Robert Gov show. And it is also torn at the bottom.

I take responsibility for the mistake though. Opening up to the inside page it does have by R. Govett in the center of the untorn page.

Okay, I forgive you.

😆

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Kelly, even if love 'couldn't' overlook a crime, nothing could justify such a disproportionate punishment. A father, who loves his child, may rightly punish that child for wrong doing, but only then so that the child would learn from the experience and change their behaviour. What a loving father would not do is punish that child with eternal torment. What we have then is unabashed cruelty.

Again it is now just eternal punishment is bad and you don’t see justification for it, it has nothing to do with Love?

@divegeester said
Ok this thread is specifically calling SecondSon and Sonship to the platform to discuss precisely what it is we all need to know about Jesus and his alleged oversight of the burning of people in Hell for eternity. I’d include JellyKay but he’s got me on ignore as usual.

Why am I starting this thread? Both of the protagonists mentioned are keen to highlight the l ...[text shortened]... what you believe about it, please feel free to step in and correct my understanding.

Thank you.

I have to say, the more I observe the evil in this world, and the unrepentant nature of those who carry it out who defy all reason and logic, the more I see the need for hell.

Hell is "game over".

And may it end soon.

@kellyjay said
Again it is now just eternal punishment is bad and you don’t see justification for it, it has nothing to do with Love?

I have clearly stated that the concepts of love and eternal punishment are not compatible.

@whodey said
I have to say, the more I observe the evil in this world, and the unrepentant nature of those who carry it out who defy all reason and logic, the more I see the need for hell.

Hell is "game over".

And may it end soon.

'So I recommend having fun, because there is nothing better for people in this world than to eat, drink, and enjoy life. That way they will experience some happiness along with all the hard work God gives them under the sun.'

Ecclesiastes 8:15

@ghost-of-a-duke said
'So I recommend having fun, because there is nothing better for people in this world than to eat, drink, and enjoy life. That way they will experience some happiness along with all the hard work God gives them under the sun.'

Ecclesiastes 8:15

You mean like Hitler?

You honestly expect me to believe that that man deserves anything less than hell?

Do tell.

And no, he won't get the same chance to harm others in the next life as it should be.

@whodey said
You mean like Hitler?

You honestly expect me to believe that that man deserves anything less than hell?

Do tell.

And no, he won't get the same chance to harm others in the next life as it should be.

Godwin's law alert.

@sonship said
@divegeester

This thread was started because of your dishonesty in the other forum. It’s your own fault.

This re-re-introduction of this issue is at the end of a long list of other similar ones. Replies you get do not affirm your viewpoint.

So you re-package the issues in new words and try it again.

With you "discussion" means agreement ...[text shortened]... is rehash with probably the same result.
What does not 100% confirm your view is "waffle".

Seeing as how your squirming your lightweight unprincipled OP avoiding way through this thread I presume you won't be questioning my integrity again in a hurry.

@divegeester said
You are dodging again.

Will you acknowledge that the bible states that Jesus is in Hell overseeing the eternal burning — yes or no?

Simple question.

No, I don't think that's what that verse means.

However, I'm not completely certain.

Is it acceptable to not be certain of a thing, or are you going to pretend that having an answer beyond YES or NO is unacceptable?

Answer that question. And please, go beyond YES or NO.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I have clearly stated that the concepts of love and eternal punishment are not compatible.

Why

@fmf said
We can both agree that Boeing 747s with 200 passengers in them exist. But the rest of what you have typed seems like waffle. We are not in a Boeing 747s with 200 passengers in it, and the analogy is a dud. Does it work on your fellow Christians? Do you think that your assertion that by lacking belief in your God figure I am choosing to torture myself in burning flames for eternity is an "appeal to reason"?

These aren't actually questions. They're statements conveying that you think my view is incredulous.

You k ow what the Gospel is.

You reject the Gospel.

By rejecting the Gospel, you reject God, do you not?

Why should God not allow you to have what you have chosen for yourself? Is it such a case where you have no agency over your actions?

Do you have diminished mental capacity or were you born a pagan who never heard the gospel in the swamps of Papua New Guinea?

@philokalia said
No, I don't think that's what that verse means.

However, I'm not completely certain.

Is it acceptable to not be certain of a thing, or are you going to pretend that having an answer beyond YES or NO is unacceptable?

Answer that question. And please, go beyond YES or NO.

This is the second verse in succession that you are claiming you don’t know if it means what it says at face value, and yet strangely you are completely sure that people will be being burnt alive for eternity.

@kellyjay said
Why

You’ve had it explained to you at least 100 times.

@philokalia said
By rejecting the Gospel, you reject God, do you not?

Why should God not allow you to have what you have chosen for yourself? Is it such a case where you have no agency over your actions?

Do you have diminished mental capacity or were you born a pagan who never heard the gospel in the swamps of Papua New Guinea?

I don't reject the idea of a creator being. I find the God figure you describe non-credible and the ideology attached to it morally non-sensical. I don't think you offer any information about a creator being, if there is one.

What you do seem to be offering instead is a noxious blend of narcissism and misanthropy, which pretty much maxes out when you make the ludicrous assertion that, if I don't also believe in the folkloric speculation about supernatural things that you deem good enough for you ~ therefore good enough for everyone else [narcissism] ~ then I am "choosing" to torture myself in flames for eternity, a fate everyone apparently deserves [misanthropy] unless they embrace your religion.

I am not rejecting "God". I just find your parochial ideology daft, that's all. You have cottoned on to some ghastly centuries-old human powerplay mumbo jumbo that you are unable to make moral sense of and you want dissenters to believe that you are tapping into some divine consciousness.

When asked 'why does your God figure torture people who lack belief?' your "appeal to reason" is 'He doesn't, people who lack belief choose to torture themselves'. It is beyond parody. Delivered with comic timing: it is a laugh line.

@divegeester

Seeing as how your squirming your lightweight unprincipled OP avoiding way through this thread I presume you won't be questioning my integrity again in a hurry.

Still sore that you said something like "on other worlds" when I didn't?
Still sore that you pushed space aliens and got caught exaggerating my use of the phrase "other worlds"?

Anyone interested, go back and find thread "The Space Alien Thing" where I called out the lie of Divegeester's repeated pushing of my so-called wacky space alien references.