The Gospel of Jesus vs The Gospel of Paul

Originally posted by @fmf
Not every Muslim on the planet, no. But I've known plenty enough Christians and Muslims on various parts of the planet to be able to say that your assertion about religious people ~ [b]"As humans, we are quick to take credit when something good happens in our lives and quick to blame God when something bad happens" does not ring true, indeed I would think ...[text shortened]... it. I would not need to have spoken with every Muslim on the planet to be able to agree with it.[/b]

Sounds like nitpicking to avoid debating substance. Is that a new tool in your trolling toolbox or did you borrow it from one of your trolling pals?

Originally posted by @romans1009
Then what is your notion of a soul or spirit? Or is this yet another question you will refuse to answer?

What questions have I refused to answer?

Originally posted by @romans1009
Sounds like nitpicking to avoid debating substance. Is that a new tool in your trolling toolbox or did you borrow it from one of your trolling pals?

A response to the substance of my post would be more interesting than this kind of stuff.

This what it was:

Not every Muslim on the planet, no. But I've known plenty enough Christians and Muslims on various parts of the planet to be able to say that your assertion about religious people ~ "As humans, we are quick to take credit when something good happens in our lives and quick to blame God when something bad happens" does not ring true, indeed I would think it applies to a very small minority of religious people.

If you'd said something like this ~ "There might be some religious people who are quick to take credit when something good happens in their lives and quick to blame God when something bad happens" ~ then I might agree with it. I would not need to have spoken with every Muslim on the planet to be able to agree with it.

Originally posted by @fmf
What questions have I refused to answer?

LOL!

You’re doing it right now with your diversionary tactic to avoid substance and instead argue about something insignificant.
Nice work, trollmaster! You almost slipped that one by me.
I note your refusal to answer the question.

Originally posted by @thinkofone

In the first quote box in the OP, an argument is made that the "redemptive work on the cross for salvation" is not part of the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry.

Christ redemption by His death was explicitly taught by Jesus before His death. He came to "give His life as a ransom for many."

In the oldest Gospel of Mark we have this:

"For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve and to give His life as a ransom for many." (Mark 10:45)

Originally posted by @fmf
A response to the substance of my post would be more interesting than this kind of stuff.

This what it was:

Not every Muslim on the planet, no. But I've known plenty enough Christians and Muslims on various parts of the planet to be able to say that your assertion about religious people ~ [b]"As humans, we are quick to take credit when something good hap ...[text shortened]... it. I would not need to have spoken with every Muslim on the planet to be able to agree with it.

Yawn.

Originally posted by @romans1009
You’re doing it right now with your diversionary tactic to avoid substance and instead argue about something insignificant.
Nice work, trollmaster! You almost slipped that one by me.

So, go on then, what questions have I refused to answer?

Originally posted by @sonship

In the first quote box in the OP, an argument is made that the "redemptive work on the cross for salvation" is not part of the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry.

Christ redemption by His death was explicitly taught by Jesus before His death. He came to [b]"give His life as a ransom for many."

In the oldest Gospel ...[text shortened]... o be served, but to serve and to give His life as a ransom for many." (Mark 10:45) [/quote][/b]

Another great find! This and John 8:24 have yet to be addressed by those who claim Jesus and Paul taught different gospels..

Originally posted by @fmf
So, go on then, what questions have I refused to answer?

Troll on, amigo!

Originally posted by @romans1009
I note your refusal to answer the question.

You mean this question:

Then what is your notion of a soul or spirit?

You asked me it 6 minutes ago.

You wanted an answer "what is your notion of a soul or spirit?" that could be typed in less than 6 minutes during which time I was writing answers to other posts?

Originally posted by @fmf
You mean this question:

[b]Then what is your notion of a soul or spirit?

You asked me it 6 minutes ago.

You wanted an answer "what is your notion of a soul or spirit?" that could be typed in less than 6 minutes during which time I was writing answers to other posts?[/b]

Still trying to suck me into debating nonsense with you? Feel free to take as much time as you need or want to answer the question.
Now, I suspect you’ll act all offended and claim you’re not going to answer my question on principle.
Trolls are so predictable!

Originally posted by @romans1009
Another great find! This and John 8:24 have yet to be addressed by those who claim Jesus and Paul taught different gospels..

ThinkofOne and I have been through our arguments about John 8.

Try to get him to specify which parts of the New Testament he regards as authoritative and which he regards as lies, myths, latter additions,fictitious propaganda, misrepresentation of Christ's words, fabrications falsely attributed to Jesus.

He thumps on passages he likes like the Oliver B. Green Gospel Hour. Concealed behind this selective fundamentalist zeal for some verses is a corresponding rejection of about 80% of the rest of the New Testament.

His phrase "Jesus as He walked on earth" is code for his true sentiments - "What I want to use from Jesus I'll choose. The rest is huey, especially His resurrection."

Originally posted by @romans1009
Then what is your notion of a soul or spirit?

Each of us has a unique narrative to which we are the only witness. That narrative delineates our each and every 'personhood'. Our capacity for abstraction is the basis for the human spirit. It is part and parcel of the human condition that many of us will find these faculties that enable us to contemplate and philosophize will lead to conjecture about supernatural things. If one does this, one will be inclined to frame our individual identities - or "spirits" - in supernatural terms. That is a 2 minute version of my notion of "spirit".

Originally posted by @romans1009
Still trying to suck me into debating nonsense with you? Feel free to take as much time as you need or want to answer the question. Now, I suspect you’ll act all offended and claim you’re not going to answer my question on principle.
Trolls are so predictable!

You think I'm not going to answer your question "on principle"? Where is all this banter coming from?

Originally posted by @thinkofone
In those passages Jesus said absolutely nothing about a "redemptive work on the cross for salvation", an "atoning sacrifice" or anything like it.

If you think He did, then provide book, chapter and verses.

So you believe that Jesus' death on the cross served no purpose.