04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneI take it that you are perfect. You never sin. Just as good as Jesus.
None of your responses account for the fact that while you wrote, "One must keep them perfectly...Only Jesus can do that", Jesus said, "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect", as a summary of the level of righteousness required to enter the kingdom of heaven.
You missed the point entirely.
04 Feb 18
FMF: Muslims thank their god figure for the good things that happen in their lives and pray to him to help them endure the bad times.Are you following the conversation? On page 9, I said: "I have found that many Christians, here at least, like to give their god figure credit when something good happens in their lives and many are inclined to cite it as hard evidence of the power of prayer." I am resisting a generalization about religious people, about Christians and Muslims in particular, that I feel is not valid. If you think Romans1009's generalization about "we humans" ~ about believers of various kinds ~ is valid then just come out and say so. Either be in the conversation or don't be in the conversation, Suzianne, that's my suggestion.
Originally posted by @suzianne
As do Christians. One might be excused for thinking that you know this. Yet you carry on as if this wasn't true.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009You are free to "play" as you see fit.
See how easy it is to play your game?
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009If you mean Christian notions of "a soul or spirit", of course not.
I take from this post that you don’t believe in a soul or spirit either. Is that correct?
04 Feb 18
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Originally posted by @secondsonJesus said what He said. You can believe what He said or not believe what He said.
I take it that you are perfect. You never sin. Just as good as Jesus.
Jesus said, "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect", as a summary of the level of righteousness required to enter the kingdom of heaven.
In John 8 Jesus also said that those who abide in His word are His true disciples and are made free from committing sin.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Not every Muslim on the planet, no. But I've known plenty enough Christians and Muslims on various parts of the planet to be able to say that your assertion about religious people ~ "As humans, we are quick to take credit when something good happens in our lives and quick to blame God when something bad happens" does not ring true, indeed I would think it applies to a very small minority of religious people.
Have you personally met, spoken with and examined the heart of every Muslim on the planet?
If you'd said something like this ~ "There might be some religious people who are quick to take credit when something good happens in their lives and quick to blame God when something bad happens" ~ then I might agree with it. I would not need to have spoken with every Muslim on the planet to be able to agree with it.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfI know this isn't directed at me, but the judgment is really quite a difficult topic and none of us are fit to say what is the precise criteria for the entrance into the Kingdom of God other than what the ideal looks like.
So you believe that the "judgement" is only about determining who believes and who doesn't believe, and is not about judging whether someone has followed Jesus' instructions and commandments. It strikes me as a bit incoherent and hard to believe.
We know that a Christian has to be Faithful, and Faith is a type of special Grace. We know, also, that not having works (big or small, personal or for others) to accompany it is a sign of being dead and faithless. These are relevant factors at the judgment.
But one thing to also be clear about is that pure, rote moralism is no way into heaven. Man cannot even know what is good without God.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfAs I pointed out before: VERY RELEVANT. This is a very common theme in the preaching of many different denominations by very excellent preachers.
Are you following the conversation? On page 9, I said: "I have found that many Christians, here at least, like to give their god figure credit when something good happens in their lives and many are inclined to cite it as hard evidence of the power of prayer." I am resisting a generalization about religious people, about Christians and Muslims in particular, th ...[text shortened]... . Either be in the conversation or don't be in the conversation, Suzianne, that's my suggestion.
You are just pointing out how some Christians fall short of the actual measure.
Thanks, again, for encouraging us towards consistency with God's word.
I really think, FMF, you will be an oustanding Christian in maybe just a couple of years or more, if you open yourself up to it. You understand important parts about the teaching.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleThis sounds very weak and partisan to somebody who does not have the same superstitious beliefs as you, I assume you are aware of this.
Man cannot even know what is good without God.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleYou are right to be facetious in this way. It works on an ironic level, certainly.
I really think, FMF, you will be an oustanding Christian in maybe just a couple of years or more, if you open yourself up to it. You understand important parts about the teaching.
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05 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfIt appears you claimed to be a Christian in a post upon which I based my question.
So my very frequent references to myself as a non-believer, as a non-Christian, my frequent questioning of the coherence of Christian beliefs and my lack of belief in supernatural causality generally, not to mention me identifying as an atheist, has caused you to ask this "serious question" has it?
05 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Maybe there was a typo? I am not a Christian.
It appears you claimed to be a Christian in a post upon which I based my question.