The Gospel of Jesus vs The Gospel of Paul

Originally posted by @secondson
"Judgement" is sure to come.

Failure to believe God will bring condemnation. But not for the believer. Life for the one that believes, but death for the one that does not.

So you believe that the "judgement" is only about determining who believes and who doesn't believe, and is not about judging whether someone has followed Jesus' instructions and commandments. It strikes me as a bit incoherent and hard to believe.

FMF: So what do you think the "judgement" judges?

Originally posted by @secondson
Sin.

And what do you believe can be the consequences of the judgement of the "sins" committed by a believer?

Originally posted by @fmf
You don't mean to be insulting my intelligence? What on earth are you on about?

What is it that you don't understand?

Originally posted by @secondson
What is it that you don't understand?

I don't understand why you would kick off a conversation with me making yourself foolish by saying "Don't misconstrue my answer to mean I'm insulting your intelligence." I don't understand why you would try to be condescending in such a shot-yourself-in-the-foot way. What do you think my "intelligence" has to do with this rote-learned dogma you are reciting to me? I don't understand.

Originally posted by @fmf
So you believe that the "judgement" is only about determining who believes and who doesn't believe, and is not about judging whether someone has followed Jesus' instructions and commandments. It strikes me as a bit incoherent and hard to believe.

The incoherency is on your part.

I don't "think" that the judgement is about "determining" who does or doesn't believe.

The judgement is about ones final deposition.

Originally posted by @fmf
And what do you believe can be the consequences of the judgement of the "sins" committed by a believer?

Loss of rewards.

The believer is "accepted in the beloved". That's not something one earns. It's according to grace.

Originally posted by @secondson
The judgement is about ones final deposition.

And the final "deposition" is "sin"?

FMF: And what do you believe can be the consequences of the judgement of the "sins" committed by a believer?

Originally posted by @secondson
Loss of rewards.

For example?

Originally posted by @fmf
I don't understand why you would kick off a conversation with me making yourself foolish by saying "Don't misconstrue my answer to mean I'm insulting your intelligence." I don't understand why you would try to be condescending in such a shot-yourself-in-the-foot way. What do you think my "intelligence" has to do with this rote-learned dogma you are reciting to me? I don't understand.

You're too egotistical.

Why are you on the defensive? Relax. Don't be so nitpicky. Try to stay on topic. Be objective.

FMF: I don't understand why you would kick off a conversation with me making yourself foolish by saying "Don't misconstrue my answer to mean I'm insulting your intelligence." I don't understand why you would try to be condescending in such a shot-yourself-in-the-foot way.

Originally posted by @secondson
Why are you on the defensive?

I'm not being defensive at all. To be brutally frank, I am scoffing at your impertinence.

Originally posted by @fmf
And the final "deposition" is "sin"?

No. It's a place. In the light, or in the darkness.

FMF: So what do you think the "judgement" judges?

Originally posted by @secondson
Sin.

And what do you believe can be the consequences of the judgement of the "sins" committed by a believer in Jesus?

Originally posted by @fmf
I'm not being defensive at all. To be brutally frank, I am scoffing at your impertinence.

That's because you misconstrue meaning and intent. Possibly intentionally.

You have swerved from the thread of discussion. Sad really, how you seem to be objectionable in your line of thinking instead of being objective.

Originally posted by @secondson
That's because you misconstrue meaning and intent.

I don't really care about your intent. Kicking off a conversation like "Don't misconstrue my answer to mean I'm insulting your intelligence" has a meaning that makes you look foolish. I don't care if your intent was to be foolish or whether that was not your intent.

Originally posted by @fmf
And what do you believe can be the consequences of the judgement of the "sins" committed by a believer in Jesus?

The death of God's own Son by crucifixion nearly 2000 years ago.