Originally posted by @dj2beckerHis was a generalization about "we humans", and presumably only religionists. If he was only referring to what "could be true" for just "some people", he'd have surely said that.
Are you at least open to the possibility that it could be true for some people, Romans included?
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Originally posted by @fmfApart from you not taking credit when good things happen to you and not blaming God when bad things happened to you, what else do you base your belief on that his generalization is totally inaccurate? You forgot to mention that Muslims do believe all the good and evil that happens to them is predetermined by God.
His was a generalization about "we humans", and presumably only religionists. If he was only referring to what "could be true" for just "some people", he'd have surely said that.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI base it on living among and talking to religious people, theists, believers from several different religions, my whole life long in Britain, Ireland, Indonesia, Japan and Australia.
Apart from you not taking credit when good things happen to you and not blaming God when bad things happened to you, what else do you base your belief on that his generalization is totally inaccurate? You forgot to mention that Muslims do believe all the good and evil that happens to them is predetermined by God.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerMuslims thank their god figure for the good things that happen in their lives and pray to him to help them endure the bad times.
You forgot to mention that Muslims do believe all the good and evil that happens to them is predetermined by God.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfDon't misconstrue my answer to mean I'm insulting your intelligence.
Secondson, I'll repeat this response to your post again, if I may, in case it's been a bit buried by subsequent posts.
How does 'trying your best' sound and then seeing what happens ~ i.e. whether you are "saved" or not ~ when you are "judged" by your god figure? It seems more credible than Christians going around declaring themselves already and irreversibly "saved" because they think certain things about themselves and about Jesus.
"Trying", and "doing" your best is all you can do, but no matter how hard you try you can't achieve perfection.
Therein lies the problem.
The Bible makes it clear that we are NOT perfect. The solution to that problem isn't through "thinking certain things". In a nutshell, the solution(salvation) is believing what God says.
It's that simple. God made it easy for us, but at great cost to Himself.
Salvation is only the first step. After that you "do" your best.
Salvation is a free gift. It is not a reward. Do your best in life to do what's right, and when this life is over we will receive our reward.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @secondsonHuh?
Don't misconstrue my answer to mean I'm insulting your intelligence.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @secondsonWell in the scenario I put to you I said nothing about "perfection". It is a notion you have introduced. In the scenario I put to you, the "judgement" would be administered to evaluate imperfection.
"Trying", and "doing" your best is all you can do, but no matter how hard you try you can't achieve perfection.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @secondsonSo what do you think the "judgement" judges?
The Bible makes it clear that we are NOT perfect. The solution to that problem isn't through "thinking certain things". In a nutshell, the solution(salvation) is believing what God says.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @secondsonWhat reward do you think people receive [for doing what's right] when this life is over?
Do your best in life to do what's right, and when this life is over we will receive our reward.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfYou're right. We should he far more willing to ascribe rough circumstances to punishment for our sins.
I have found that many Christians, here at least, like to give their god figure credit when something good happens in their lives and many are inclined to cite it as hard evidence of the power of prayer. Do you not do this?
This criticism sounds like it came right from the mouth of Fr. Ripperger or Fr. Trenham or Dr. White.
You got a proper traditional Christian inside of you, FMF.
We'll make one of you yet!
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @secondsonYou don't mean to be insulting my intelligence? What on earth are you on about?
What?
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmf"Judgement" is sure to come.
Well in the scenario I put to you I said nothing about "perfection". It is a notion you have introduced. In the scenario I put to you, the "judgement" would be administered to evaluate imperfection.
Failure to believe God will bring condemnation. But not for the believer. Life for the one that believes, but death for the one that does not.
It's in the Bible. You know that.
"In the scenario I put to you, the "judgement" would be administered to evaluate imperfection".
Not "would" be, or will be. It's a done deal already. Death comes as a result of sin. Eternal life is a free gift to those that believe God.