04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @secondsonYour foolishness was placed front and centre by your choice of how to tee up your distinctly unchallenging recitation of doctrine. It can hardly be nitpicking to tackle you on what you decided to place front and centre.
Well, then stop nitpicking. 😉
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @secondsonNo. What you're talking about happens in the mind.
When the Bible talks about the heart it is talking about the core of ones innermost being. The heart is the essence of ones existence.
Where the heart leads the mind follows. The mind becomes a convert of the heart. Every time.
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04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @secondsonActually:
Nothing. Intelligence has nothing to do with it.
The truth is it's a heart matter.
'But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.' The reason that 'Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head.'
1 Corinthians:3
Originally posted by @fmfYou're nitpicking because you keep regurgiting the same snit post after post.
Your foolishness was placed front and centre by your choice of how to tee up your distinctly unchallenging recitation of doctrine. It can hardly be nitpicking to tackle you on what you decided to place front and centre.
Get over it.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @secondsonOh dear. You are all over the place, aren't you?
Intelligence has nothing to do with it.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeAs an aside I want you to know I'm not ignoring your post several pages back, but FMF has taken me to task here, and I've been preoccupied trying to keep him from unraveling the topic we're supposed to be debating.
Actually:
'But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.' The reason that 'Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head.'
1 Corinthians:3
The quote from Ephesians you used here to contradict is not applicable to the context of the topic of discussion made on the last two pages. It is in reference to the order of the roles and responsibilities associated with marriage and family structure. And I can't fathom your use of "Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head" in that context.
Perhaps you should read the posts on the previous page.
The discussion is about salvation, what it is and how one obtains it. As the verses I quoted clearly say, it is with the heart that one believes and not the head, or mind.
The mind follows the heart. Mark 7:21 "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed..." the issues of life.
Originally posted by @secondsonOne must keep them perfectly...Only Jesus can do that.
It's not enough just to "keep" them (the commandments). One must keep them perfectly.
Only Jesus can do that.
Question is then, how can one be saved?
From the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry:
Matthew 5
Jesus says:
20“For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
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Jesus then cites a half-dozen or so examples of where the righteousness of his followers need to exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees.
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Jesus then summarizes with the level of righteousness required to enter the kingdom of heaven.
48“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Clearly Jesus sees things differently than you do. Evidently the problem is that you don't believe Jesus - which of course is yet another requirement of the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. To follow Jesus, one must first believe Jesus. Believe the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry
Originally posted by @thinkofoneHe would only appear to do so from a liberal's point of view. This is why I call this Jesus the liberal's Jesus.
Jesus preached a different gospel than what Paul preached.
It's the topic of this thread.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @eladarIn the first quote box in the OP, an argument is made that the "redemptive work on the cross for salvation" is not part of the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. If you believe that the argument is incorrect, then show where it is, in fact, in the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. If you believe it is correct, then make a case that the gospel of Paul should be the foundation rather than the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry.
He would only appear to do so from a liberal's point of view. This is why I call this Jesus the liberal's Jesus.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneThe OP is wrong. Jesus made the proclamation when he said it is done. He also made the proclamation when he prayed for God to spare him but let God's will be done.
In the first quote box in the OP, an argument is made that the "redemptive work on the cross for salvation" is not part of the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. If you believe that the argument is incorrect, then show where it is, in fact, in the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. If you believe it is correct, then make a case that ...[text shortened]... l of Paul should be the foundation rather than the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry.
The false gospel found in the op resonates with certain people I suppose.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @eladarIn those passages Jesus said absolutely nothing about a "redemptive work on the cross for salvation", an "atoning sacrifice" or anything like it.
The OP is wrong. Jesus made the proclamation when he said it is done. He also made the proclamation when he prayed for God to spare him but let God's will be done.
The false gospel found in the op resonates with certain people I suppose.
If you think He did, then provide book, chapter and verses.