04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @secondsonThere are several on-topic questions above that you have swerved away from in order try to land the word "sad" on my chin. Your answers would be interesting.
You have swerved from the thread of discussion. Sad really...
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfThen drop it. I don't care either.
I don't really care about your intent. Kicking off a conversation like "Don't misconstrue my answer to mean I'm insulting your intelligence" has a meaning that makes you look foolish. I don't care if your intent was to be foolish or whether that was not your intent.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @secondsonSo, for all intents and purposes, there is no "judgement" per se of the "sins" committed by a believer in Jesus. WOuld that be the long and short of it?
The death of God's own Son by crucifixion nearly 2000 years ago.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @secondsonNo, you made an interesting choice to initiate a conversation. What do you think my "intelligence" has to do with this rote-learned dogma you are reciting to me?
Then drop it. I don't care either.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfYou really don't understand do you?
So, for all intents and purposes, there is no "judgement" per se of the "sins" committed by a believer in Jesus. WOuld that be the long and short of it?
How quickly you misconstrue from one post to the next.
The "judgement" for the sins of the whole world fell on Jesus.
Originally posted by @secondsonWhich means the "judgements" for "sins" do not fall on the "sinners".
The "judgement" for the sins of the whole world fell on Jesus.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @secondsonSo if you truly believe your "sins" will be forgiven and you truly believe the "judgement" for those "sins" will not be visited upon you (but will be visited upon a supernatural being called Jesus), then your "sins" will indeed be forgiven and the "judgement" for those "sins" will indeed not be visited upon you.
It means the judgement fell on Jesus.
Plus, there is the added bonus of gaining everlasting life for having these beliefs.
And the whole thing simply happens in the mind.
That's how it comes across.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @secondson"Intelligence has nothing to do with it"? Mmm. And yet you started with "Don't misconstrue my answer to mean I'm insulting your intelligence". Has saying that made you feel foolish? It ought to.
Nothing. Intelligence has nothing to do with it.
The truth is it's a heart matter.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmf"And the whole thing simply happens in the mind".
So if you truly believe your "sins" will be forgiven and you truly believe the "judgement" for those "sins" will not be visited upon you (but will be visited upon a supernatural being called Jesus), then your "sins" will indeed be forgiven and the "judgement" for those "sins" will indeed not be visited upon you.
Plus, there is the added bonus of gaining ev ...[text shortened]... ese beliefs.
And the whole thing simply happens in the mind.
That's how it comes across.
No. It happens in the heart.
Give close attention to the following passage. Use your mind and think.
Romans 10:4-11
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
¶ For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above: )
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness ; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
(Embolden mine)
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfWell, I do feel foolish. Apparently I've offended you. I apologize.
"Intelligence has nothing to do with it"? Mmm. And yet you started with "Don't misconstrue my answer to mean I'm insulting your intelligence". Has saying that made you feel foolish? It ought to.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @secondsonThe heart pumps blood. When people talk about things 'happening in the heart' they are talking about thoughts of an emotional nature which, of course, occur in the brain. Feelings of having "sinned", thoughts about being "forgiven", certainty about escaping personal responsibility for one's actions, and hopes about "salvation" and everlasting life, all happen in the mind. Not the kidneys, not the liver, not the heart, they happen in the mind.
"And the whole thing simply happens in the mind".
No. It happens in the heart.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @secondsonNo I am not offended at all. Stop projecting.
Well, I do feel foolish. Apparently I've offended you. I apologize.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfWhen the Bible talks about the heart it is talking about the core of ones innermost being. The heart is the essence of ones existence.
The heart pumps blood. When people talk about things 'happening in the heart' they are talking about thoughts of an emotional nature which, of course, occur in the brain. Feelings of having "sinned", thoughts about being "forgiven", certainty about escaping personal responsibility for one's actions, and hopes about "salvation" and everlasting life, all happen in the mind. Not the kidneys, not the liver, not the heart, they happen in the mind.
Where the heart leads the mind follows. The mind becomes a convert of the heart. Every time.