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This is the broader point:
This is an interesting point. I’d have to say suffering in the present world is a consequence of sin and man’s free will and the consequences of sin do not only afflict the guilty.
If God were to intervene in human affairs to the extent that He eliminated suffering, you’d essentially be asking for the world to be returned to its pre-fallen state when it was man, not God, who destroyed that state of perfection.
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeIf you think me and Romans are the same person you might need to make an appointment with yourself to discuss your own mental health.
Apologies but it is commonly known I do not communicate with Becker.
I appreciate you are a 'personage' in your own right, but as part of the unholy Trinty this 'Ghostly incommunicado' is also extended to your present incarnation.
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Originally posted by @dj2beckerThat would go along the lines of, “A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client.”
If you think me and Romans are the same person you might need to make an appointment with yourself to discuss your own mental health.
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Originally posted by @romans1009😵
That would go along the lines of, “A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client.”
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Originally posted by @sonshipJohn 8:24 is a fantastic find and well reconciles the alleged discrepancy between what Paul taught and what Jesus taught.I'm advocating for the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry.
No, you are advocating for the unbelievers in God's Son.
There is minuscule difference between your reaction to Jesus and the reaction of the audience seeking to kill Him in your favorite chapter - [b]John 8.
You have taken up the cause of the very crowd to wh ...[text shortened]... hrist's words.
You are advocating their unbelief and advocating rejection of the Son of God.[/b]
Thank you for finding it and posting it!
Originally posted by @romans1009This rings false according to my my experience. What are you basing it on?
As humans, we are quick to take credit when something good happens in our lives and quick to blame God when something bad happens.
Originally posted by @romans1009I don't think religious people - i.e. believers - think of their god figures in the way you described. And non-believers don't have god figures. So who are you talking about?
My experience.
Now would you like to discuss the broader point? Or are you fumbling around in your trolling toolbox for a way to avoid that?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI certainly don't blame a supernatural being. I take responsibility for bad things that are my fault. Muslims certainly credit their god figure for the good things the experience. And my experience as a Christian makes me feel that Romans1009's post does not ring true.
According to what specific experience exactly are you basing it on? Do you seriously take credit for the bad stuff that happens to you?
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Originally posted by @fmfAh the gift of FMF that never stops giving. What you could probably say is that when you were a believer you didn't think that way. And you not thinking that way doesn't mean that all believers think like you used to think.
I don't think religious people - i.e. believers - think of their god figures in the way you described. And non-believers don't have god figures. So who are you talking about?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI don't think what Romans1009 described in his generalization about religious people sounds valid. If you think it does, that's OK.
Ah the gift of FMF that never stops giving. What you could probably say is that when you were a believer you didn't think that way. And you not thinking that way doesn't mean that all believers think like you used to think.