05 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Short answer: yes, of course it does.
The development of morality among humans doesn’t have to be linked to a spirit within them, does it?
05 Feb 18
Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleAgain with the accusation of being dishonest. Which part of the views I have expressed do you believe I have been dishonest about? If you don't care for my position and dismiss it as "wishy-washy [and] middle-ground", fair enough - your prerogative, but what position would you like me to take up and what elements of it would you consider to be "honest" if I were to profess them?
Why this wishy-washy middle-ground position that pretends the material and the scientific understanding isn't enough? This comes off as so uncomfortable. It's dishonest to your opponents. You can't just straddle this middle ground when it becomes uncomfortable.
05 Feb 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterOddly enough, I typed up a long response to this and I got a message that my post was deemed inappropriate and that it was automatically removed. Something about the topic must prevent me from commenting because there were no obscneities.
You recently dug a bit of a pit for yourself in the debates forum whereby you were called out for seemingly holding racist views, I tackled you on this myself. You subsequently decided and announced (at least to me) that you were not going to return to that thread and defend you position. Is that the type of courageousness, virtue and liberation you are referring to?
I am literally testing the reply at this point.
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Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleEdit: no idea what was the word that triggered the inappropriate thing. I'll have to try to respond again later.
Oddly enough, I typed up a long response to this and I got a message that my post was deemed inappropriate and that it was automatically removed. Something about the topic must prevent me from commenting because there were no obscneities.
I am literally testing the reply at this point.
05 Feb 18
Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleMaybe you are being persecuted?
Oddly enough, I typed up a long response to this and I got a message that my post was deemed inappropriate and that it was automatically removed. Something about the topic must prevent me from commenting because there were no obscneities.
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Originally posted by @fmfI disagree. I believe morality can be the result of learned behavior (i.e. I don’t sleep with someone else’s wife because my friend did that and got a bad beating, or I don’t kill someone I dislike because my friend did that and he got killed by one of the guy’s relatives.)
Short answer: yes, of course it does.
Originally posted by @romans1009All the cerebral activity, calculations, emotions, hopes, fears, love, loyalty, capacity to learn, capacity to reason, interpretation of memory etc. etc, not only in your scenario but also more generally in service of the development or moral sensibilities ~ and most especially, the individual's unique ability to synthesize all such considerations, experiences, notions, into a personal perspective and then to make personal, unique decisions based on abstractions stemming from what has been synthesized ~ it's all part of the "human spirit" as I define it.
I disagree. I believe morality can be the result of learned behavior (i.e. I don’t sleep with someone else’s wife because my friend did that and got a bad beating, or I don’t kill someone I dislike because my friend did that and he got killed by one of the guy’s relatives.)
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Originally posted by @fmfAnd you think none of what you described plays a role in whether one accepts Christ as his or her Lord and Saviour and, more importantly, *believes in his or her heart that God raised Him from the dead.* You think that “heart belief” takes place in the mind alone after all you have written, that it’s purely a function of the biology of the brain?
All the cerebral activity, calculations, emotions, hopes, fears, love, loyalty, capacity to learn, capacity to reason, interpretation of memory etc. etc, not only in your scenario but also more generally in service of the development or moral sensibilities ~ and most especially, the individual's unique ability to synthesize all such considerations, experiences, ...[text shortened]... s stemming from what has been synthesized ~ it's all part of the "human spirit" as I define it.
05 Feb 18
Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleOK, so Dive, I will get into this topic again, and it will be another extensive treatment of it. I promise you, however, it's a bad idea to dig this up in every thread.
Oddly enough, I typed up a long response to this and I got a message that my post was deemed inappropriate and that it was automatically removed. Something about the topic must prevent me from commenting because there were no obscneities.
I am literally testing the reply at this point.
I brought up the Flynn effect back there and how it more than enough accounts for the nature of the differences, and how the IQ is largely environmental. I am really quite very basic and predictable Western liberal on this issue.
I merely am very familiar with the other arguments on this because, during my undergrad, I read some books on evolutionary psychology and the human evolution (and the mental lives of humans), mostly Gazaniga and Pinker, which brought about extensive discussions on the topic, and lead to a lot of discussion.
My familiarity with the topic and willingness to bring up the information should not be treated as such. I was just curious what are the best arguments against biological determinists.
05 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Human spirit. Intellect. Emotions. Beliefs. Hopes. Fears. Love. You name it. Our "spiritual" capacity and dimension. All in the mind. Yes. The heart is an organ that pumps blood.
And you think none of what you described plays a role in whether one accepts Christ as his or her Lord and Saviour and, more importantly, *believes in his or her heart that God raised Him from the dead.* You think that “heart belief” takes place in the mind alone after all you have written, that it’s purely a function of the biology of the brain?
Whether consciousnes will be found one day, for sure, to be merely a function of biology, I cannot say. I don't know. Who knows? Maybe there is a supernatural reason.
My capacity to speculate uniquely in this way is a function of my individual "spirit". It is for you too [your belief that you "accept Christ as your Lord and Saviour" for example, is a function of your individual "spirit"] The subsance of all of this is comprised of thought.
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Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleDon't let them bother you, whenever they fail to play ball they rather play the man.
I won't entertain accusations of racism on this so if this was meant to be a segue into pinning filthy lies to me, just, please, give it a break.
Originally posted by @romans1009And you think none of what you described plays a role in whether one accepts Christ as his or her Lord and Saviour and, more importantly, *believes in his or her heart that God raised Him from the dead.
That is exactly my point and has been the point of what I have been saying since page 18. I believe that all of what I described plays a role in things like whether one "accepts Christ as Lord and Saviour" and things like believing "God raised Him from the dead".
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Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleI’ve never heard someone use automod as an excuse before.
Oddly enough, I typed up a long response to this and I got a message that my post was deemed inappropriate and that it was automatically removed. Something about the topic must prevent me from commenting because there were no obscneities.
I am literally testing the reply at this point.