05 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009I don't believe that anyone has such experiences. I have read about it. It doesn't float my boat. I gave you a few reasons. It only sounds flippant because I am trying to be brief. I don't believe in seances either. Or in ghosts. Or telepathy. Or the power of prayer. I am not interested in discussing each [or any] of these things I have listed,
You ought to do some research on them before you so flippantly dismiss them. Patients who experienced this knew things about the operation and what the surgeons did, including what was happening outside the operating room, that they could not possibly have known if their spirit had not left their body.
05 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009I believe that declarations of death, for all their objective standards, can be premature on extremely rare occasions.
<If the people didn't die, then they didn't die.>
You don’t believe objective standards exist to determine death?
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05 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfYou you think the people relating their NDEs are lying simply because you find what they are saying to be far fetched?
I don't believe that anyone has such experiences. I have read about it. It doesn't float my boat. I gave you a few reasons. It only sounds flippant because I am trying to be brief. I don't believe in seances either. Or in ghosts. Or telepathy. Or the power of prayer. I am not interested in discussing each [or any] of these things I have listed,
05 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Then we're good. Because it is not my intention.
That’s totally non-responsive to what I wrote and you couldn’t divest me of my faith if you wanted to.
05 Feb 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerNDEs are people not dying. NDEs don't prove anything that Christians claim about eternal life.
You you think the people relating their NDEs are lying simply because you find what they are saying to be far fetched?
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05 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfIf a human body meets the objective standards of death, how is the declaration premature? You’re going back to the same argument - a human being is dead when he or she is dead.
I believe that declarations of death, for all their objective standards, can be premature on extremely rare occasions.
Originally posted by @romans1009I did a double take on who'd sent me this post. The word string "a standard line you resort to when you’re in a pickle" is one that dj2becker must have used on me ten times. 😉
That does seem to be a standard line you resort to when you’re in a pickle.
05 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009I think I have answered this. The declaration of death is premature if it turns out the person is not dead.
If a human body meets the objective standards of death, how is the declaration premature? You’re going back to the same argument - a human being is dead when he or she is dead.
05 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009They do nothing for me. And there's nothing more you can say about them that alters what I have said on this thread about the individual human spirit.
And NDEs are at most an interesting anomaly to me. My faith would be just as strong if NDEs did not exist and hadn’t occurred.
Originally posted by @romans1009Do you feel that I have provided you with any "substantive" discussion since page 18 or do you feel like you are being trolled?
Oh. So we’re back to this now. I guess you really are in a pickle.
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Originally posted by @fmfWith all due respect, that’s a ridiculous position. You’re defining death as being dead. It’s absurd.
I think I have answered this. The declaration of death is premature if it turns out the person is not dead.
Objective standards exist to determine clinical death and biological death. If those standards/criteria are met and the person becomes alive again, he or she was dead.
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Originally posted by @fmfSorry I have never used the word 'pickle' before. You are such a liar. Or maybe you just hallucinate.
I did a double take on who'd sent me this post. The word string "a standard line you resort to when you’re in a pickle" is one that dj2becker must have used on me ten times. 😉