The Gospel of Jesus vs The Gospel of Paul

Originally posted by @jacob-verville
I won't entertain accusations of racism on this so if this was meant to be a segue into pinning filthy lies to me, just, please, give it a break.

Or you could go back to debates and defend or explain the racist stuff that you posted.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Or you could go back to debates and defend or explain the racist stuff that you posted.

If you are going to make an accusation like that feel free to quote him verbatim.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Or you could go back to debates and defend or explain the racist stuff that you posted.

Bump for Jacob Verville.

Originally posted by @jacob-verville
But why even use the word spirit?

We are endowed with a capacity for projecting ourselves in abstract ways and also we are affected and influenced and shaped by the abstract projections of other people.

This I believe is our common human spirit. I also believe we clearly have individual spirits ~ religionists might refer to it as a "soul" while defining it differently from non-religionists and atheists ~ which resides in the singular personal narrative that each of us accumulates and witnesses and is affected by as we live our lives.

These are the only “spirits” that exist, to my way of thinking.

Your belief in “spirits” of a supernatural kind, I believe, is a product of version of the same personal, unique capacity for abstraction and contemplation that I have.

Originally posted by @fmf
We are endowed with a capacity for projecting ourselves in abstract ways and also we are affected and influenced and shaped by the abstract projections of other people.

This I believe is our common human spirit. I also believe we clearly have individual spirits ~ religionists might refer to it as a "soul" while defining it differently from non-religionists ...[text shortened]... of version of the same personal, unique capacity for abstraction and contemplation that I have.

So you believe neither the soul nor the spirit survives physical death?

Originally posted by @romans1009
So you believe neither the soul nor the spirit survives physical death?

Of course not. I have no reason to think our individual spirit does. [Aside, that is, in the sense I mused about here on Thread 175554.] There is not one jot of credible evidence that any human being has ever survived physical death and, on the other hand, dozens of billions of pieces of evidence that physical death is the fate of absolutely every single human that has ever lived. And with our physical deaths, so ends each of our individual spirits.

Originally posted by @fmf
Of course not. I have no reason to think our individual spirit does. [Aside, that is, in the sense I mused about here on Thread 175554.] There is not one jot of credible evidence that any human being has ever survived physical death and, on the other hand, dozens of billions of pieces of evidence that physical death is the fate of absolutely every ...[text shortened]... human that has ever lived. And with our physical deaths, so ends each of our individual spirits.

On what basis do you discount near death experiences and claims by people who were resuscitated after being declared dead for some time?

Originally posted by @fmf
Of course not. I have no reason to think our individual spirit does. [Aside, that is, in the sense I mused about here on Thread 175554.] There is not one jot of credible evidence that any human being has ever survived physical death and, on the other hand, dozens of billions of pieces of evidence that physical death is the fate of absolutely every ...[text shortened]... human that has ever lived. And with our physical deaths, so ends each of our individual spirits.

How do you explain NDEs?

Originally posted by @romans1009
How do you explain NDEs?

And I’m not so sure no one who has been declared dead has not been “brought back” to life, though I can’t remember if the declaration of death was clinical death or biological death.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
On what basis do you discount near death experiences and claims by people who were resuscitated after being declared dead for some time?

If they were resuscitated then the fact that they were declared dead is the issue. All human lives end in physical death. Do you think "near-death experiences" [or 'a didn't die-experience'] is evidence of the eternal life that Christians believe in?

Originally posted by @romans1009
How do you explain NDEs?

Maybe you should explain what kind of thing you want me to explain. An NDE is someone not dying, isn't it? I don't see what that has to do with conjecture or hopes about our individual spirits surviving physical death.

Originally posted by @romans1009
And I’m not so sure no one who has been declared dead has not been “brought back” to life, though I can’t remember if the declaration of death was clinical death or biological death.

I don't see what declarations of death that turned out to be premature have to do with what we are talking about.

Originally posted by @fmf
If they were resuscitated then the fact that they were declared dead is the issue. All human lives end in physical death. Do you think "near-death experiences" [or 'a didn't die-experience'] is evidence of the eternal life that Christians believe in?

What then would you regard as evidence of eternal life? I personally think NDEs could be regarded as evidence but obviously there is no definitive proof. We have to take it by faith.

Originally posted by @fmf
Maybe you should explain what kind of thing you want me to explain. An NDE is someone not dying, isn't it? I don't see what that has to do with conjecture or hopes about our individual spirits surviving physical death.

So your interpretation of the spirit that humans possess is in alignment with it being able to leave the body and observe surgeons working on the body from above the operating table? Or is the spirit in your view confined to being within the body at all times?
Do you think the spirit is distinct and separate from the body, though it inhabits the body? Or is the spirit dependent upon the body’s biology to survive?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
What then would you regard as evidence of eternal life?

I don't know really. I'll tell you when I encounter some. Do you have any real life scenarios? I will give you my take on them if they are interesting. My default setting is that dozens of billions of humans have lived and dies and that was it. Claims to the contrary by religionists are not persuasive.