The gospel

@kellyjay said
The Gospel is the good news about the Kingdom of God, and Christ Jesus coming as a Savior. One of the many things you seem to be confused about is that you are suggesting that the Gospel is only those things said by Jesus or some version of that. On top of that, you take references that scripture has and tweak the meaning into things that they are not completely suggesting a ...[text shortened]... dged by our works, but we are redeemed, saved, by Jesus Christ who takes away the sins of the world.

Well finally, after 11 pages of denying it, you are admitting that you are promoting a gospel which Jesus did not preach .. and that is fine. You promote your church gospel. .. just like how you promote and believe in going to heaven, and angels have wings and a whole bunch of other stuff not in the bible. Thats fine. Just say so. I should not have dig it out of you.

For me personally, I promote and believe in the Gospel message taught by Jesus Christ and preached by the disciples.

Discussion over.

@rajk999 said
Well finally, after 11 pages of denying it, you are admitting that you are promoting a gospel which Jesus did not preach .. and that is fine. You promote your church gospel. .. just like how you promote and believe in going to heaven, and angels have wings and a whole bunch of other stuff not in the bible. Thats fine. Just say so. I should not have dig it out of you.

For ...[text shortened]... ieve in the Gospel message taught by Jesus Christ and preached by the disciples.

Discussion over.

I'm promoting the Gospel found in the Word of God; what you are preaching does not resemble that at all. You ramble on and on about my church; tell me what church I go to that you can claim my church's doctrine!

What scripture do you go to that says works save us? That we are made right with God by works? That our good works redeem us?

Galatians 2:
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We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Ephesians 2:8-10
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For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Titus 3:4-6
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But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,

You would have people believe they could earn their way into God's favor, you and scripture are at odds with one another, personally, I believe scripture not you.

@kellyjay said
I'm promoting the Gospel found in the Word of God; what you are preaching does not resemble that at all. You ramble on and on about my church; tell me what church I go to that you can claim my church's doctrine!

What scripture do you go to that says works save us? That we are made right with God by works? That our good works redeem us?

Galatians 2:
English Standard Ve ...[text shortened]... d's favor, you and scripture are at odds with one another, personally, I believe scripture not you.

I am content believing, and telling others about the Gospel of Christ. Thats good enough for me. Clearly you think that this Gospel is incorrect, or incomplete or just wrong and misleading, so you lean towards the church gospel or the interpretation of the church.

@Rajk999

Discussion over.

Not a chance.
More correcting of Rajk999's errors coming.

@rajk999 said
I am content believing, and telling others about the Gospel of Christ. Thats good enough for me. Clearly you think that this Gospel is incorrect, or incomplete or just wrong and misleading, so you lean towards the church gospel or the interpretation of the church.

I think you are wrong, misleading, and have no clue, not the Gospel. The Gospel is the good news about the Kingdom of God; your good news is you can work for it, the Gospel is Jesus died for our sins, your good news is if your works are good enough, you are in. People have believed they can work their way into God's good graces forever; most religions preach if your good outweighs your bad, your just hoping that is true. While scripturally, the Gospel has all of us condemned already, but God, through Jesus Christ, died taking on our sin and paying our debt in full; we cannot add to that. From there, we are in right standing with God to do good works, while you, if your good enough maybe, maybe you will be good enough; however that is a measure no one knows while in this life, there is no assurance, there is no down payment or guarantee its true.

With God, we can be born again; not only can we be, we must be, that is not something our labors can produce. Our righteousness is through God, God's grace, not human effort; you may rely on your good works, they will not wash away your sins.

John 3:6-8
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That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Romans 5
Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.

1 John 4:13
By this we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.

1 John 3:24
Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.

Romans 8:9
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

1 Corinthians 2:12
Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God.

1 Peter
Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart, since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God; for

“All flesh is like grass
and all its glory like the flower of grass.
The grass withers,
and the flower falls,
but the word of the Lord remains forever.”

And this word is the good news that was preached to you.

@kellyjay said
I think you are wrong, misleading, and have no clue, not the Gospel. The Gospel is the good news about the Kingdom of God; your good news is you can work for it, the Gospel is Jesus died for our sins, your good news is if your works are good enough, you are in. People have believed they can work their way into God's good graces forever; most religions preach if your good out ...[text shortened]... t the word of the Lord remains forever.”

And this word is the good news that was preached to you.

Are you repeating yourself over and over? LOL ... You are a comedian.
The Gospel of Christ is the way to the Kingdom of God.
Your church gospel looks like a convoluted mess of false doctrines.

Its like your going to heaven business and the angels with wings story. Where is that in the bible? It aint there... just like your gospel. You are pulling out passages that Jesus never said. Is Jesus wrong?

To be honest I would never trust a man to tell me the truth about the bible if he tells me angels have wings and he is going to heaven. That alone makes him a dummy in my book.

@rajk999 said
Are you repeating yourself over and over? LOL ... You are a comedian.
The Gospel of Christ is the way to the Kingdom of God.
Your church gospel looks like a convoluted mess of false doctrines.

Its like your going to heaven business and the angels with wings story. Where is that in the bible? It aint there... just like your gospel. You are pulling out passages that ...[text shortened]... if he tells me angels have wings and he is going to heaven. That alone makes him a dummy in my book.

In my church, you keep saying that as if you know where I go and the principal doctrines. So where do I go? What are the central doctrines of my church? Also, I quoted you scripture, are saying only Jesus's words in the Bible are the Gospel? You believe the whole Bible is the Word of God, don't you, or do you pick and choose what verses are good and what verses are not? You don't believe what Jesus said contradicts the rest of the Bible, do you?

@rajk999 said
Are you repeating yourself over and over? LOL ... You are a comedian.
The Gospel of Christ is the way to the Kingdom of God.
Your church gospel looks like a convoluted mess of false doctrines.

Its like your going to heaven business and the angels with wings story. Where is that in the bible? It aint there... just like your gospel. You are pulling out passages that ...[text shortened]... if he tells me angels have wings and he is going to heaven. That alone makes him a dummy in my book.

The reason I'm repeating myself is that the truth doesn't change; it is the truth of the whole Bible you need to look at, not cherry-picking a piece here and there. The good news is God's Kingdom, Jesus Christ entering into our lives as one of us, the Word of God made flesh, taking on life as one of us so He can save us from our sins. Unlike your good news, which isn't news and is just using pieces of the Bible, you just promote something the whole world thinks, work for it, earn it; it is attainable due to human efforts. Your good news is neither news nor good; you don't require God in our lives.

@kellyjay said
In my church, you keep saying that as if you know where I go and the principal doctrines. So where do I go? What are the central doctrines of my church? Also, I quoted you scripture, are saying only Jesus's words in the Bible are the Gospel? You believe the whole Bible is the Word of God, don't you, or do you pick and choose what verses are good and what verses are not? You don't believe what Jesus said contradicts the rest of the Bible, do you?

I have answered all those questions and I do not need to know, neither do I care what church you are from.

I will say this again ... the words of Jesus Christ is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. There is no other Gospel of Jesus Christ. According to Peter - Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. (John 6:68-69 KJV).

You believe in some other gospel and you appear not to believe that Jesus is the Son of God and His words are Eternal Life.

@kellyjay said
The reason I'm repeating myself is that the truth doesn't change; it is the truth of the whole Bible you need to look at, not cherry-picking a piece here and there. The good news is God's Kingdom, Jesus Christ entering into our lives as one of us, the Word of God made flesh, taking on life as one of us so He can save us from our sins. Unlike your good news, which isn't news ...[text shortened]... e due to human efforts. Your good news is neither news nor good; you don't require God in our lives.

You have no credibility. I can never trust a man who claims to have the truth and he believes
1. Christians go to heaven when they die
2. NonChristians are tortured for eternity
3. Angels have wings
4. Nobody can be righteous unless they believe in Christ
5. All people are filthy sinners
6. Jesus is God and equal to God.

All of those doctrines are foolishness promoted by your church and have no sound biblical support. Yet you believe them.

And that is not a full list of the nonsense you believe.

@rajk999 said
You have no credibility. I can never trust a man who claims to have the truth and he believes
1. Christians go to heaven when they die
2. NonChristians are tortured for eternity
3. Angels have wings
4. Nobody can be righteous unless they believe in Christ
5. All people are filthy sinners
6. Jesus is God and equal to God.

All of those doctrines are foolishness promote ...[text shortened]... biblical support. Yet you believe them.

And that is not a full list of the nonsense you believe.

Either what we speak lines up with scripture or it doesn’t. You can talk about me all you want it’s the truth of the Gospel that matters not your opinion of me or my opinion of you.

The truth of God doesn’t change with time or with who speaks it, you are focusing on me not the Word of God.

@kellyjay said
Either what we speak lines up with scripture or it doesn’t. You can talk about me all you want it’s the truth of the Gospel that matters not your opinion of me or my opinion of you.

The truth of God doesn’t change with time or with who speaks it, you are focusing on me not the Word of God.

I have told you what the Word of God said. The Word of God is Jesus Christ and His Gospel is clearly stated in the bible. Yet you promote the gospel of your church. I have to focus on you too because you are trying to tell me of another gospel, not preached by Christ. You are therefore a false teacher and a liar becuase almost all of your other teachings are false. So ... im not interested... Got it ?

@rajk999 said
I have told you what the Word of God said. The Word of God is Jesus Christ and His Gospel is clearly stated in the bible. Yet you promote the gospel of your church. I have to focus on you too because you are trying to tell me of another gospel, not preached by Christ. You are therefore a false teacher and a liar becuase almost all of your other teachings are false. So ... im not interested... Got it ?

I have quoted scripture as well and what I have been saying lines up with the scripture I quoted and when properly looked at with the scripture you wrote as well. We are not to trust in our efforts but in Jesus Christ what He has done and said, which also lines up with the rest of the Word of God.

@kellyjay said
I have quoted scripture as well and what I have been saying lines up with the scripture I quoted and when properly looked at with the scripture you wrote as well. We are not to trust in our efforts but in Jesus Christ what He has done and said, which also lines up with the rest of the Word of God.

The words of Jesus Christ, the message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is required for eternal life. You are a lost soul floundering in a sea of false doctrines of your church, because you think the Scripture is necessary.

The only why churches preach that garbage is that they do not like the teachings of Christ. They do not want to do good works. Preached about good works is the surest way to poverty. They churches become empty and the pastor is poor.

Nobody likes to hear about good works, and sadly for you those who do not do good works are cast out of the Kingdom of God.

@rajk999 said
The words of Jesus Christ, the message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is required for eternal life. You are a lost soul floundering in a sea of false doctrines of your church, because you think the Scripture is necessary.

The only why churches preach that garbage is that they do not like the teachings of Christ. They do not want to do good works. Preached about good wor ...[text shortened]... out good works, and sadly for you those who do not do good works are cast out of the Kingdom of God.

Your opinion about an unknown church is meaningless I am sharing scriptures with you not quoting church doctrine. If you wish to refute what I have said then show me how the scripture I have shared does not validate the things that I have shared. You have an issue not with me but the Word so demeaning me and the church I attend is meaningless it is the Word that matters not our opinions of it.