The gospel

@rajk999 said
I suspect there will be many goats on the day of judgment quoting that passage to Christ when he tells them Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. (Matthew 25:41-43 KJV)

Well, here we agree, but I believe only in part. There are going to be many who tell Jesus all the things that they did, and all of them are going to hear the words, "Depart from me, I never knew you." I can only imagine that the vast majority will be those who thought they were good enough; many will tell Him of all of their religious works, how they did this or that. It isn't the church you go to that matters; it is going to be are you His, do you belong to Him, are you abiding in Him, do you have God's Spirit within you, are you obeying Him in all things big and small, in private or secret. If you don't have God in your life, and you in God's, you don't belong; without the Son, you don't have a relationship with the Father. God has given us work to do, and His sheep hear His voice; those that don't know Him are on their own they are condemned already.

Matthew
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

“Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

There are works to do, yes, He didn't say they didn't do those works, the salient point He brought to the judgment was relational knowledge. He said He didn't know them, all of those who don't belong to God are walking in the flesh not the Spirit of God, all outside of God are condemned already.

@kellyjay said
Well, here we agree, but I believe only in part. There are going to be many who tell Jesus all the things that they did, and all of them are going to hear the words, "Depart from me, I never knew you." I can only imagine that the vast majority will be those who thought they were good enough; many will tell Him of all of their religious works, how they did this or that. It is ...[text shortened]... ong to God are walking in the flesh not the Spirit of God, all outside of God are condemned already.

A pile of baloney. You posted this explanation several times in the last few years and it was nonsense then and it remains nonsense today. When quoting the bible try to quote the Book, the Chapter, the verses, and also the version. Try to be like me.

So about that passage :
- Jesus calls them WORKERS OF INIQUITY,
- YOU say they did good works

Why is it that ALL YOUR DOCTRINES RUN CONTRARY TO CHRIST?
The answer is that you are just another mouth worshipping Christian promoting the doctrine of your church.

@rajk999 said
A pile of baloney. You posted this explanation several times in the last few years and it was nonsense then and it remains nonsense today. When quoting the bible try to quote the Book, the Chapter, the verses, and also the version. Try to be like me.

So about that passage :
- Jesus calls them WORKERS OF INIQUITY,
- YOU say they did good works

Why is it that ALL YOU ...[text shortened]... swer is that you are just another mouth worshipping Christian promoting the doctrine of your church.

Search the scriptures; you will also find that in the Bible. They didn't always have chapters and verses, and when I read online, I turn those off least they introduce a pause in thought or meaning that isn't there for just the text's sake. For reference's sake, from time to time, I use them, but being like you is not one of my goals in life.

I post the same thing because truth, unlike opinions, doesn't change. If you hear the words depart from me, I never knew you; that will be a statement about a failure of a relationship, not the quality of one's work.

@kellyjay said
Search the scriptures; you will also find that in the Bible. They didn't always have chapters and verses, and when I read online, I turn those off least they introduce a pause in thought or meaning that isn't there for just the text's sake. For reference's sake, from time to time, I use them, but being like you is not one of my goals in life.

I post the same thing because ...[text shortened]... knew you; that will be a statement about a failure of a relationship, not the quality of one's work.

You post the same thing over and over despite your statements being contrary to Christ because that is what you are indoctrinated by your church. I say it again :
Jesus called them workers of iniquity or evil workers
Why are you suggesting that they did good works
And worse, why are you saying that Jesus condemned good works

I will answer for you.
You and your church falls in the category of EVIL WORKERS
This Jesus called evil work
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord,
have we not prophesied in thy name?
and in thy name have cast out devils?
and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(Matthew 7:22 KJV)

So examples of evil works are
- calling Lord Lord
- prophesying
- casting out devils
- using Jesus's name in vain.
You and your church practice these things

Here is what Jesus calls GOOD WOKKS
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat:
I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink:
I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Naked, and ye clothed me:
I was sick, and ye visited me:
I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
(Matthew 25:35-36 KJV)

Good works:
Feeding the hungry
Helping those in need
Visiting the sick etc.
Its all about charity
You and your church do not preach these things

People who do these things get eternal life in the Kingdom of God, and not once, not one single solitary time have you said what Jesus said about good works. Clearly you are against Christ and against His Gospel, which you clearly despise.

Maybe you should try to be like me. I post clear references from the bible with all the information, so that people can understand and find these references easily. You are selfish, your thinking is muddled and hazy, and you do not post so that people can understand.

@rajk999 said
You post the same thing over and over despite your statements being contrary to Christ because that is what you are indoctrinated by your church. I say it again :
Jesus called them workers of iniquity or evil workers
Why are you suggesting that they did good works
And worse, why are you saying that Jesus condemned good works

I will answer for you.
You a ...[text shortened]... u are selfish, your thinking is muddled and hazy, and you do not post so that people can understand.

I've never denied we will do works, and I'm also a firm believer we don't broadcast what we do for attention or to show how righteous we are. You are complaining about something you have no stinking idea what you are talking about concerning what does my church promotes and does, and you have no clue yet you condemn as if you do.

The whole world is condemned already; we are all sinners, there is but one way to be saved, and that is Jesus Christ. So you are judging without knowledge and condemning without cause; you should realize that whatever judgment you use will be used on you!

Do you even know what 'iniquity' is? Anyone walking in the flesh, not the Spirit, will be sinning, and their iniquity condemns them; even if they are doing good works outside of a Savior, they are doomed. All liars have their part in the lake of fire too, making false claims about someone is not only slander; it is lying.

@kellyjay said
I've never denied we will do works, and I'm also a firm believer we don't broadcast what we do for attention or to show how righteous we are. You are complaining about something you have no stinking idea what you are talking about concerning what does my church promotes and does, and you have no clue yet you condemn as if you do.

The whole world is condemned already; we ...[text shortened]... ir part in the lake of fire too, making false claims about someone is not only slander; it is lying.

A load of bull. You have used the passage in Matt 7 to claim that Jesus condemns people who have done good works, when Jesus clearly calls them workers of iniquity, which is the opposite. These Lord Lord people, resemble your church people, who call Lord lord, do miracles and cast out devils. I remember you saying this about your church. You preach the OPPOSITE of what Jesus preached.

And this line you love to write ...

I've never denied we will do works, and I'm also a firm believer we don't broadcast what we do for attention or to show how righteous we are. ... Shows you have no clue what Jesus said. Jesus never said you will do works. Jesus said :

YOU MUST GO GOOD WORKS.
GOOD WORKS IS REQUIRED FOR ETERNAL LIFE
Nobody asked you to broadcast anything
Nobody asked you to ask for attention
Nobody said to show how righteous you are

You are demonstrating how totally ignorant you are about the teachings of Gospel of Christ.

@rajk999 said
A load of bull. You have used the passage in Matt 7 to claim that Jesus condemns people who have done good works, when Jesus clearly calls them workers of iniquity, which is the opposite. These Lord Lord people, resemble your church people, who call Lord lord, do miracles and cast out devils. I remember you saying this about your church. You preach the OPPOSITE of what J ...[text shortened]... e[/b]

You are demonstrating how totally ignorant you are about the teachings of Gospel of Christ.

You either know Him or don't; good works do not clean away sin, only Jesus.
When the day of judgment comes, Jesus will sort out the goats from the sheep, and our works will be judged.

Trusting in one's righteousness and trusting in one's good works is not what we are called to do, but knowing Christ. If you have to earn it, there is no good news there; it would just be more of the same.

Mark 10:15
Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.”

In the book of Luke 18, Jesus talks about those confident in their righteousness.

He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

We are all sinners in need of Jesus Christ's saving grace; the greatness with which God has saved us is through the sacrifice of God's Son, where the sinless one took our sin and justified the sinners. This would not be a gift if you have to earn it; it would be payment for a job well done if it were, God would be obligated to save us because we were so good in the things that we have done, God is not obligated to us for anything.

That is NOT the case; nothing we can do can add to Jesus Christ dying on the cross and rising from the dead for us. No amount of good works is worth a single drop of His blood, yet He willing died for sinners. You are saying His grace is not enough; it is you who are rejecting the Word of God this great salvation.

@kellyjay said
You either know Him or don't;

More church baloney. Who knows Christ? John answers that

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1 John 2:3-4 KJV)

Q: Who knows Christ ?
A : Those who KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS

Q: Who gets eternal life?
A: Those who KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS

Q: Who gets damnation?
A: Those who DO NOT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS

So please spare me your church nonsense.

@rajk999 said
More church baloney. Who knows Christ? John answers that

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1 John 2:3-4 KJV)

Q: Who knows Christ ?
A : Those who KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS

Q: Who gets eternal life?
A: Those who KEEP THE CO ...[text shortened]... amnation?
A: Those who DO NOT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS

So please spare me your church nonsense.

Another example of your selective quotes.

1 John 2 has a little more to it than just what you said the forgiveness of sins is by Jesus Christ, not good works.

English Standard Version

My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

Jesus takes away our sins; I again tell you we are to do good works, obey the Lord, but doing good works is not a way to have your sins forgiven that is in Christ alone. You constantly ignore the fact I'm also saying we will be doing good works; the difference between us is when you say it, you are attempting to get right with God, and I'm telling you the scriptures are clear we get right with God, and then we will be doing the good works He has for us.

@kellyjay said
Another example of your selective quotes.

1 John 2 has a little more to it than just what you said the forgiveness of sins is by Jesus Christ, not good works.

English Standard Version

My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propiti ...[text shortened]... scriptures are clear we get right with God, and then we will be doing the good works He has for us.

In the longest sermon by Jesus Christ, the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus explains about the Kingdom of God and who will enter and who will be cast out, and what is necessary for eternal life. You would find that Jesus said none of those things you post. Not one single statement in your post was mentioned by Christ as he taught the Gospel.

So while what you post is in the bible, unfortunately it is not the Gospel of Christ, and it does not say what one MUST DO to inherit eternal life in the Kingdom of God. So you have missed the mark by a mile. So your church gospel is incomplete, it is lacking in critical information and it is misleading. If you had some sense you would now revise your doctrine and bring it in line with what was preached by Jesus and the Apostles ... but sadly you dont have any.

As Jesus said, the wise man keeps the commandments, but the fool does not.

@rajk999 said
In the longest sermon by Jesus Christ, the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus explains about the Kingdom of God and who will enter and who will be cast out, and what is necessary for eternal life. You would find that Jesus said none of those things you post. Not one single statement in your post was mentioned by Christ as he taught the Gospel.

So while what you post is in the bibl ...[text shortened]... dly you dont have any.

As Jesus said, the wise man keeps the commandments, but the fool does not.

Jesus said a lot of things, discussing many topics in different settings with different people. If you miss the salvation, He gives us, that is on you. If you think you can earn your way into God's favor, that too is on you.

@kellyjay said
Jesus said a lot of things, discussing many topics in different settings with different people. If you miss the salvation, He gives us, that is on you. If you think you can earn your way into God's favor, that too is on you.

So the way to eternal life is to stop listening to Christ...
which is who I have been foolishly quoting all along ...
and start listening to you instead .... 😀
LOL ...

You are such an idiot.

@rajk999 said
So the way to eternal life is to stop listening to Christ...
which is who I have been foolishly quoting all along ...
and start listening to you instead .... 😀
LOL ...

You are such an idiot.

You have been taking bits and pieces of quotes, putting a little twist on them to mean much more than they do, ALL THE WHILE ignoring other text that directly opposes your version of good news, the gospel, according to rajk999. Nothing enlightening, informative, even truthful for many of the things you have said. If you think you got all your bases covered by doing good works, then you will stand before God outside of Christ because you didn't put your faith in Him; you put it in you.

@kellyjay said
You have been taking bits and pieces of quotes, putting a little twist on them to mean much more than they do, ALL THE WHILE ignoring other text that directly opposes your version of good news, the gospel, according to rajk999. Nothing enlightening, informative, even truthful for many of the things you have said. If you think you got all your bases covered by doing good work ...[text shortened]... will stand before God outside of Christ because you didn't put your faith in Him; you put it in you.

Here is another little 'bits and pieces', from the Gospel of Christ
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:17 KJV)

Compare with the gospel of KJs church
Nobody is good, and all are filthy sinners, so sit there and do nothing. Dont keep the commandments and do good works becuase that is trusting in yourself.

You are far from Christ, and drifting further into the realm of the damned. Bon voyage.

@rajk999 said
Here is another little 'bits and pieces', from the Gospel of Christ
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:17 KJV)

Compare with the gospel of KJs church
Nobody is good, and all are filthy sinners, so sit there and do nothing. Dont keep ...[text shortened]... lf.

You are far from Christ, and drifting further into the realm of the damned. Bon voyage.

When you find someone who promotes doing nothing, you can call them on it. To give your life to Christ is to surrender all; it is dying to oneself, living for Him as Lord and Savior. You misrepresent everything I have been telling you, and you ignore the scriptures that do not line up with your private gospel over what is in scripture.