The Hagia Sophia

@fmf said
More furtive evasion.

@fmf said
The ones on this thread that you are trying to blank out. I am not interested in you prattling on about architecture. The question of mine you are dodging is about spirituality and not the construction of buildings. But, post as you see fit.

@fmf said
When you say "the news dropped", you do realize that "the news" was that a building which had been a mosque for hundreds and hundreds of years - and that had been a museum for a few decades - was reverting back to being a mosque, right? You are seriously wanting people to believe that you were so "personally insulted" that a "reaction clip for YouTube" might have served to make your apparent posturing seem more credible?

@fmf said
What I think has been established is that your brand new religious zeal - as a new convert - has you "personally insulted" about what a building is used for in Istanbul, but not in any way by how long it took people from your religion to put a stop to slavery in your own country.

The use of buildings back in history can cause you "insult" while the use of Black people back in ...[text shortened]... ult".

This effect of religion on you is interesting to consider. This is the right forum for it.

@philokalia said
LOL, are you accusing me of furtive evasion because I am not acknowledging your spurious speculation about my personal character..?

@philokalia said
OK, so FMF is suspicious about me because I don't post about African-American slaves in the Hagia Sophia thread.

@philokalia said
You haven't been clear.

Are you referring to you asking me about how I felt about chattel slavery?

@fmf said
The topic is the psychological effect of newfound religion. It may be going over your head, and drawing attention to it may be making you uncomfortable, but it's not "spurious".

@fmf said
The issue is what your religion does and doesn't make you "personally insulted" by. What a government-owned building in Istanbul is used for. It gets you "personally insulted". That involves events that happened 560 years ago. The morality of slavery, by contrast, involving events only 160 or so years ago. Now... that does not get you "personally insulted". One presumably, in part anyway, has put this down to your brand new religion.

The Syrian regime under President Bashar Al-Assad has announced that it will build a miniature replica of the Hagia Sophia, in opposition to the Turkish government’s reversion of the building from a museum into a mosque.

@philokalia said
I think it's perfectly fine to care about this...

Especially in the 'Hagia Sophia' thread.

@philokalia said
Slavery is not occurring in America, my good man.

@fmf said
But a debate involving people who don't really want to address the moral dimensions of slavery, often because of their religious zealotry, IS occurring in America. Meanwhile, you get "personally insulted" about a building in Istanbul.

@fmf said
Of course caring about it is fine. I started the thread for that very reason But that's not the issue. You didn't say you cared about it. You didn't say you were critical of it. You didn't say you were appalled by it. No. You literally said you were "personally insulted" by it. That's the issue. You have converted to a new religion and it seems to have had a psycholigical effect ...[text shortened]... trying to deflect away from acknowledging it. This is the right forum and the right thread for this.

Isn't Ghost of a Duke a psychologist?

He should come here and diagnose us.

@fmf said
But a debate involving people who don't really want to address the moral dimensions of slavery, often because of their religious zealotry, IS occurring in America. Meanwhile, you get "personally insulted" about a building in Istanbul.