The Hagia Sophia

@philokalia said

I also do not really care about this -- but it's always a delight to see you work yourself into a furor over the memory of the legendary Romans.
I don't mind.

Oh but you certainly do care, it’s certainly not a delight for you, and you certainly do mind.

@philokalia said
Then you did not read the last half of the quote:

[quote]Being the episcopal see of the ecumenical patriarch of Constantinople, it remained the world's largest cathedral for nearly a thousand years, until Seville Cathedral was completed in 1520. Beginning with subsequent Byzantine architecture, Hagia Sophia became the paradigmatic Orthodox church form and ...[text shortened]... e Ecumenical Patriarch is my patriarch, by the way. That would rightfully be His All Holiness' seat.

So finally we are there.
You believe the special relationship between Orthodoxy and the
Hagia Sophia is because it was once the seat of the head of your church.

Not a particularly strong argument but at least we know what you mean now.

You should have stated that originally and saved a lot of electrons.

@philokalia said
Oh, because I mentioned that repetivie, trolling posts would get reported, I am a hypocrite...?

There were no trolling posts on this thread.

@philokalia said
... Because I cheered on a guy who trolled trolls?

He trolled, most of all, Ghost of a Duke, and he also trolled divegeester and he trolled me. He wasn't "trolling trolls".

@philokalia said
I also do not really care about this -- but it's always a delight to see you work yourself into a furor over the memory of the legendary Romans.

That poster has long gone. The topic here is you.

@philokalia said
I am an Orthodox Christian and I can say that this is a personal insult and a travesty.

What would make of someone who converted to Islam suddenly then declaring him or herself to be "personally insulted" by some things that happened as a result of, say, the crusades more than 500 years ago?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
There was nothing legendary about Romans.

He was a tragic figure.

I do not know enough about him as a person. I had heard some rumors that he was imbalanced or some such.

But it was honestly hard to keep track of anything going on because we had guys with 90+ pages of posts in just the last 30 days during the height of his activity. It was truly a prolific amount of content that led almost nowhere, Tiger.

It was a flame war par excellence -- played out not over days or even weeks, but months.

Honestly, I had never seen anything like it -- and I have posted in dozens & dozens of forums over the years.

That is why I always thought of it as a Time of Legends.

@fmf said
That poster has long gone. The topic here is you.

The topic is the Hagia Sophia.

The distraction is the personal attacks.

It would serve your posting career well to focus on the actual topic and not distracting ad hom content.

@philokalia said
It was a flame war par excellence -- played out not over days or even weeks, but months.

Your endorsement of it as the "best posting" on this forum speaks volumes about you. And this is worth bearing in mind whenever you are being sanctimonious and hypocritical about "forum standards".

@philokalia said
The topic is the Hagia Sophia.

Indeed. Your reaction to the Hagia Sophia news seems to be either posturing ~ a bit of scarcely credible manufactured outrage ~ or there is, in play here, some sort of emotional weakness or debilitation [something BigDoggProblem has sensed on another thread] related to your new-found religious zealotry and this has been triggered by something that happened over 500 years ago.

One other possibility is that you blurted out something totally ludicrous ~ about being "personally insulted" by a building being turned back into a mosque after being a museum for 70 years ~ before you fully understood that that was all the news was, but you have been too prideful to admit it.

As you say, the topic is the Hagia Sophia. You have been dancing around evading point-blank questions about your reaction to the Hagia Sophia news for pages and pages.

@fmf said
Indeed. Your reaction to the Hagia Sophia news seems to be either posturing ~ a bit of scarcely credible manufactured outrage ~ or there is, in play here, some sort of emotional weakness or debilitation [something BigDoggProblem has sensed on another thread] related to your new-found religious zealotry and this has been triggered by something that happened over 500 years ago.
...[text shortened]... ound evading point-blank questions about your reaction to the Hagia Sophia news for pages and pages.

All of this armchair psychology from a frequent detractor is tired & boring.

More than that: it's rude. Why not drop it? It leads nowhere, and I am not going to stoop to this level of discourse.

You claim I was so ignorant of all of the background and jumped into this. But you have no proof of that. Do not even try to present any, because none will be found.

As you say, the topic is the Hagia Sophia. You have been dancing around evading point-blank questions about your reaction to the Hagia Sophia news for pages and pages.

What, y ou want me to prove the legitimacy of my reaction over the internet? Should I have recorded a reaction clip for YouTube when the news dropped?

What point-blank questions?

Your derailments about slavery? 😆

@philokalia said
All of this armchair psychology from a frequent detractor is tired & boring.

More furtive evasion.

@philokalia said
What point-blank questions?

The ones on this thread that you are trying to blank out. I am not interested in you prattling on about architecture. The question of mine you are dodging is about spirituality and not the construction of buildings. But, post as you see fit.

@philokalia said
What, you want me to prove the legitimacy of my reaction over the internet? Should I have recorded a reaction clip for YouTube when the news dropped?

When you say "the news dropped", you do realize that "the news" was that a building which had been a mosque for hundreds and hundreds of years - and that had been a museum for a few decades - was reverting back to being a mosque, right? You are seriously wanting people to believe that you were so "personally insulted" that a "reaction clip for YouTube" might have served to make your apparent posturing seem more credible?

@philokalia said
Your derailments about slavery?

What I think has been established is that your brand new religious zeal - as a new convert - has you "personally insulted" about what a building is used for in Istanbul, but not in any way by how long it took people from your religion to put a stop to slavery in your own country.

The use of buildings back in history can cause you "insult" while the use of Black people back in history does not cause you "insult".

This effect of religion on you is interesting to consider. This is the right forum for it.