02 May 11
Originally posted by RJHindsYou still haven't explained how the Japanese are, in your own words - 'better off', for having two atomic bombs dropped on them.
The difference is that in response to there attack on our homeland
we declared war on the Japanese. Therefore, after we had declared
war on them. In due time, it became necessary, as part of the war
effort, to drop those bombs to end the war with the Japanese and
prevent future deaths. So it was not an act of murder but of war,
that is the difference.
Where in scripture does Jesus say it's acceptable to indiscriminately kill innocent civilians?
02 May 11
Originally posted by galveston75I feel great about it. Today the USA and Japan are no longer enemies.
No your still not seeing the big picture and yes murder was commited. Are you not aware that even in the cruelist nations of the world that cause problems for other countries, are not by any means backed up and supported by all it's citizens?
There is no way in the world that everyone including the children that died that horrible death hated the citi ...[text shortened]... that died that day with maybe a scattering of military.
So do you still feel good about that?
Our nations are now very good friends. I also feel good about the fact
that the our military just killed Bin Laden even though some others
might have been killed in the process. All Christian churches condone,
what the call "just wars". But they sometimes can not agree on which
wars are just or unjust.
02 May 11
Originally posted by Proper KnobIt ended the war early, which most likely, spared even more people being
You still haven't explained how the Japanese are, in your own words - 'better off', for having two atomic bombs dropped on them.
Where in scripture does Jesus say it's acceptable to indiscriminately kill innocent civilians?
killed. I think the Japanese people are better off because we are friends.
In 1947, Japan adopted a new constitution emphasizing liberal democratic practices. Japan later achieved rapid growth to become the second largest economy in the world. I believe they are now number three. They renounced
their right to declare war and maintain a military force only for self-defense
and peacekeeping. And today, the people of Japan have the longest life
expectancy of any country in the world.
03 May 11
Originally posted by RJHindsOh my gosh.... I'm done with this discussion. You should be ashamed. Maybe you should put the shoe on the other foot and put your family in the place of those innocent people killed in Japan.
I feel great about it. Today the USA and Japan are no longer enemies.
Our nations are now very good friends. I also feel good about the fact
that the our military just killed Bin Laden even though some others
might have been killed in the process. All Christian churches condone,
what the call "just wars". But they sometimes can not agree on which
wars are just or unjust.
And you did say your a Christian? I must havve misunderstood that point.
03 May 11
Originally posted by galveston75You should be ashamed to suggest that I put my family in harms way.
Oh my gosh.... I'm done with this discussion. You should be ashamed. Maybe you should put the shoe on the other foot and put your family in the place of those innocent people killed in Japan.
And you did say your a Christian? I must havve misunderstood that point.
When did the USA make a surprise attack on any other nation like
the Japanese did to us. We were negotiating with them when they
attacked us, before they declared war. You apparently consider the
killing of our military and civilian at Pearl Harbor just fine. The
Japanese leadership was responsible for all the innocent people
being killed. They did not have to put their citizens in harms way.
They had other options available. And yes, I said I was a Christian
and believe Jesus would agree.
03 May 11
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Ok So then how should a country respond if attacked G-75 & RC ?
I understand your belief in non-violence. You guys seemed to have a skewed view of history. The Brits fought and thank God or they would of been speaking German.
Why did God speak of an eye for and eye? people always say ohhh how vengeful this concept of an eye for and eye is but if understood correctly it actually puts a value on life. Take a life by murder and your life will be taken. The point is to deter and place value on life.
Manny
03 May 11
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Originally posted by menace71Our view is the view of the Bible and that is to not kill. So the really big picture is no wars should ever happen and as we usually get told " If everyone believed like you then we'd all die!!!!!!" That would be great if all did then no wars would happen.
Ok So then how should a country respond if attacked G-75 & RC ?
I understand your belief in non-violence. You guys seemed to have a skewed view of history. The Brits fought and thank God or they would of been speaking German.
Why did God speak of an eye for and eye? people always say ohhh how vengeful this concept of an eye for and eye is but if unde ...[text shortened]... er and your life will be taken. The point is to deter and place value on life.
Manny
But in fact they do. So now a true Christain has to way this out and decide on either to put their trust in God protecting them or to put your trust not in God but in mans way. It's that simple....
But as was mentioned, the Bible does say an "eye for an eye". But it also clearly says "Vengence belongs to God." This eye for an eye is referring to God's vengance, not mans. If you do decide to kill another human especially an innocent human as many of the ones killed in both WW's were, at some point you will have to answer to God.
Jesus also commanded us to love your neighbor as yourself. How does that fit in with killing?
03 May 11
Originally posted by galveston75Dude are you really this obtuse ? The God of the Israelites commanded them to kill their enemies!! Not to spare in some cases your Jehovah so explain ?
Our view is the view of the Bible and that is to not kill. So the really big picture is no wars should ever happen and as we usually get told " If everyone believed like you then we'd all die!!!!!!" That would be great if all did then no wars would happen.
But in fact they do. So now a true Christain has to way this out and decide on either to put thei ...[text shortened]... lso commanded us to love your neighbor as yourself. How does that fit in with killing?
Manny
03 May 11
Originally posted by RJHindsJapanese peoples longevity is a result of a mutation of the FOXO3A gene, that's evolution at work not atomic bombs.
It ended the war early, which most likely, spared even more people being
killed. I think the Japanese people are better off because we are friends.
In 1947, Japan adopted a new constitution emphasizing liberal democratic practices. Japan later achieved rapid growth to become the second largest economy in the world. I believe they are now number three. Th ...[text shortened]... . And today, the people of Japan have the longest life
expectancy of any country in the world.
So there are no scriptures where Jesus preached the indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians?!
03 May 11
Originally posted by menace71And you have no clue why there is a differance between that time period and why that had to happen and the differance with what Jesus taught changed that? I can tell by others responce too that this is another example of the darkness that most are still in with regards to the light getting brighter and can't grasp even though it is in black and white in your own bibles.
Dude are you really this obtuse ? The God of the Israelites commanded them to kill their enemies!! Not to spare in some cases your Jehovah so explain ?
Manny
I give up on all this as I'm tired of waisting time on ones who have do desire to progress spiritually. Stay in your old dark pagan churches or float arond on your own and know nothing about spirituality and the Good News of the Kingdom that Jesus taught.
03 May 11
Ok so a hypothetical: Nation "A" is attacked by Nation "B" Nation "B's" intent is to invade nation "A" and take away all religious and civil freedoms and use nation "A's" resources but through violent means. Nation "B" is going to build camps and house prisoners to either re-educate or eradicate them if they do not comply. Should nation "A" defend it's self with it's standing military and possibly expect help from allies? Or just allow the atrocities to happen?
Manny
03 May 11
Originally posted by menace71Nation A can do whatever they want. As long as man depends on himself to rule instead of having faith in God to protect them then they have to accept whatever happens. Man has always chosen their own way instead of God's and now we all pay the price.
Ok so a hypothetical: Nation "A" is attacked by Nation "B" Nation "B's" intent is to invade nation "A" and take away all religious and civil freedoms and use nation "A's" resources but through violent means. Nation "B" is going to build camps and house prisoners to either re-educate or eradicate them if they do not comply. Should nation "A" defend it's sel ...[text shortened]... xpect help from allies? Or just allow the atrocities to happen?
Manny
So how does a true Christian deal when attacked? Turn the other cheek as the scripture tells, have faith in God and believei n the resurrection. Sounds kind of passive but Jesus set the example not to fight as he easily could have with complete victory. But he lived and died as he taught and was resurrected because of it with no bloodguilt on his hands.
If you don't have faith in a resurrection then fight for your life is my suggestion. But I choose to obey the bibles commands.