The Holy Spirit

Originally posted by jaywill
He will probably come back at you with Proverbs.

As for myself, inasmuch as Christ was incarnated He did cloth Himself in creation. The Word became flesh. And flesh is an item of God's creation.

God became a man. And man is a creation of God. I am sure you agree with this for this is the truth of incarnation.

Christ is the Creator as well as the ...[text shortened]... is with Jehovah and is Jehovah as the Word was with God and the Word was God.

Amen.

Yes, I understand what you are talking about and I have pointed
tut the fact that Jesus was fully man and fully God. And I believe
I even asked one of them, at least, if they agered with that and
then said they did not understand this; but received no direct
response to either statement.

Originally posted by Doward
this is probably the one thing I am in agreement with the JW's on. I think no Christian should be involved in acts of war, whether fighting or supporting.

Thanks. It is just unthinkable to think of killing anyone much less one in your own faith. If anything Jesus said we should all be willing to die for a brother.
I hope more here feel that way but I'm afraid that probably most would serve their country first and God second when it comes to this subject.

Originally posted by galveston75
Thanks. It is just unthinkable to think of killing anyone much less one in your own faith. If anything Jesus said we should all be willing to die for a brother.
I hope more here feel that way but I'm afraid that probably most would serve their country first and God second when it comes to this subject.

You don't seem to understand the importance of the military to defend
all citizens of a nation against foreign invasion. If there were not others
like me willing to serve in the military to defend your right to freedom of
religion, there would not be a Jehovah's Witnessess organization for you
to join. And there may not even be a United States of America. If we are
still alive we would probably be slaves to some other nation's dictator. I
did not go into the military with the purpose of killing anyone; I don't even
like to hunt wild animals to kill. I sure would not do it for sport like some
people do. I entered the military,not to kill, but to help perserve our
freedoms and sometimes that requires killing the enemy.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You don't seem to understand the importance of the military to defend
all citizens of a nation against foreign invasion. If there were not others
like me willing to serve in the military to defend your right to freedom of
religion, there would not be a Jehovah's Witnessess organization for you
to join. And there may not even be a United States of Ameri t to kill, but to help perserve our
freedoms and sometimes that requires killing the enemy.

When was the Unites States in danger of foreign invasion?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
When was the Unites States in danger of foreign invasion?

Didn't your history teacher teach you about the Japanese invading
he United States at Pearl Harbor. I am sure the people living in
NY City would not like the idea of us just ignoring the 9/11/2001
incident. It is the US Military's responsibility to also prevent attacks
so that no foreigners will dare invade us.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Didn't your history teacher teach you about the Japanese invading
he United States at Pearl Harbor. I am sure the people living in
NY City would not like the idea of us just ignoring the 9/11/2001
incident. It is the US Military's responsibility to also prevent attacks
so that no foreigners will dare invade us.

i dont see how any of these attacks could possibly be construed as an invasion, considering there was no invasion force present. Indeed, it could may well be construed that the native Americans have suffered invasion, and you are the foreigners.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Didn't your history teacher teach you about the Japanese invading
he United States at Pearl Harbor. I am sure the people living in
NY City would not like the idea of us just ignoring the 9/11/2001
incident. It is the US Military's responsibility to also prevent attacks
so that no foreigners will dare invade us.

The Japanese invaded Pearl Harbor??

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
When was the Unites States in danger of foreign invasion?

The counter to that is: People who are ready to defend themselves with overwhelming force are less likely to find themselves in danger of being invaded.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
The Japanese invaded Pearl Harbor??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

Originally posted by JS357
The counter to that is: People who are ready to defend themselves with overwhelming force are less likely to find themselves in danger of being invaded.

so when were you in danger of invasion to justify your readiness to defend yourself with overwhelming force?

Originally posted by RJHinds
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

can you point out from the article where it states that its objectives were invasion?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i dont see how any of these attacks could possibly be construed as an invasion, considering there was no invasion force present. Indeed, it could may well be construed that the native Americans have suffered invasion, and you are the foreigners.

Okay, I used the the wrong word. But if we had done nothing about
the attacks, what do you think would eventually happen.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
so when were you in danger of invasion to justify your readiness to defend yourself with overwhelming force?

Invasion is only one way to initiate military action against a country. I have never been in danger of my country being invaded, but I have been in danger of nuclear attack in my lifetime. "Attack" being the general term, countries are attacked when the attacking country's leaders think it is in their interests to attack. Making it be against the interests of a country to attack mine, is achieved in part by demonstrating the ability and willingness to defeat the enemy. This is not to say that everyone must be willing to serve in the military.

By the way, what does this have to do with the Holy Spirit? Just curious.

Originally posted by galveston75
Mark 12:14-17 (Today’s New International Version, ©2005)
14 They came to him and said, “Teacher, we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay the imperial tax[a] to Caesar or not? 15 Should we pay or should ...[text shortened]... d and world events is being uninterested then you really have no clue of anything about us.

You quote John 18:36

36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

Where was His Kingdom then. Could it be in heaven?

Originally posted by RJHinds
You don't seem to understand the importance of the military to defend
all citizens of a nation against foreign invasion. If there were not others
like me willing to serve in the military to defend your right to freedom of
religion, there would not be a Jehovah's Witnessess organization for you
to join. And there may not even be a United States of Ameri ...[text shortened]... t to kill, but to help perserve our
freedoms and sometimes that requires killing the enemy.

Jesus said not to kill but yet you think it's ok to disobey him because some man tells you to? This man must be some type of God to you to disobey Jesus.

Matthew 10:28 (Today’s New International Version, ©2005)
28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

So to decide to go to fight for YOUR country ( Jesus said his KIngdom is no part of the world ) you are showing the fear Matt 10:28 is speaking of and not putting your faith in God.

And the Bible clearly says that Satan is the ruler of this world at:
John 12:31 (Amplified Bible)

31Now the judgment (crisis) of this world is coming on [sentence is now being passed on this world]. Now the ruler (evil genius, prince) of this world shall be cast out (expelled).

So if you do decide to particapate in your countries wars and are willing to kill even someone of your own faith, then you are a part of the world that Satan is the ruler of.