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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI intend to ask God to make us brothers in Christ. But as it stands you go beyond the teaching of Christ. As Second John states:
you have told me elsewhere and on another occasion that im not your brother, that's
fine, no harm done.
- "For many deceivers went out into the world, those who do not confess Jesus Christ coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. (v.7)
Everyone who goes beyond and does not abide in the teaching of Christ does not have God; he who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son.(v.9)
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not say to him, Rejoice! (v.10)
For he who says to him, Rejoice, shares in his evil works." (v.11)
It is not a matter of "interfaith" practice. It is a matter of whether you have the faith or oppose it.
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Originally posted by jaywillAs far as I am aware i do profess that Christ came in the flesh nor do i see how i have
I intend to ask God to make us brothers in Christ. But as it stands you go beyond the teaching of Christ. As Second John states:
- "For many deceivers went out into the world, those who do not confess Jesus Christ coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. (v.7)
Everyone who goes beyond and does not abide in the teaching of Ch matter of "interfaith" practice. It is a matter of whether you have the faith or oppose it.
gone beyond the teaching of the Christ.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie============================================
As far as I am aware i do profess that Christ came in the flesh nor do i see how i have
gone beyond the teaching of the Christ.
As far as I am aware i do profess that Christ came in the flesh nor do i see how i have gone beyond the teaching of the Christ.
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It is not likely that John meant someone who does not believe when Jesus came out of the womb He had flesh.
Rather He must mean that Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1)
"And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us ..." (v.14)
And Paul taught the mystery of godliness was God manifest in the flesh:
"And confessedly, great is the mystery of godliness:
He who was manifested in the flesh ..." (1 Tim. 3:16a)
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Originally posted by jaywillRather He must mean that Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh.
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As far as I am aware i do profess that Christ came in the flesh nor do i see how i have gone beyond the teaching of the Christ.
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It is not likely that John meant someone who does not believe when Jesus came out of the womb He had flesh.
Rather He must me he mystery of godliness:
He who was manifested in the flesh ..." (1 Tim. 3:16a) [/b][/b]
This appears to me to be going beyond what is written, as for your use of John 1:1,
its well known, from the sahidic coptic text that it cannot possibly mean God
almighty, but a god, i.e a mighty spirit being, also the context of the verse states
that no man has seen God at any time v 18, whereas plenty of persons laid eyes
upon the Christ, making the assertion that Jesus is God, with a capital G, untenable,
not to mention a plethora of others scriptures which state that Christ never made
himself equal to God. Also if the word was with God, he could not both be with God
and be God at the same time, that's illogical. You have no basis for translating that
verse the way your translators have, and clearly it has given an erroneous
evaluation and led not to clarity, but ambiguity, so that you are now talking in
mystical terms and mysteries.
these other references do not state that Christ is God, but that he was made manifest.
29 Apr 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI would think, you would then believe that He deserves to be
Why would i worship a created entity, are you trying to make me an Idolater like you?
No thanks, i choose life.
worshipped for all that He has done for us. Even the angels
worship Him. Are you better than the angels?
29 Apr 11
Originally posted by RJHindsIf Jesus is God Almighty as you are saying then when he reappears he'll kill all just by the sight of him. Or is the scripture wrong that says "no man may see God and live"?
When Jesus retuns to earth as our King and Great God and Savior do you
plan to bow down and worship Him?
By scripture convience me that this will not happen or that the scripture is wrong?
29 Apr 11
Originally posted by RJHindsActually i reserve my worship for the creator, not the created, as for Angles, perhaps it
I would think, you would then believe that He deserves to be
worshipped for all that He has done for us. Even the angels
worship Him. Are you better than the angels?
has escaped you attention that Satan himself was an Angel who dragged a third of the
Angels with him after he was ousted from the heavens, indeed, have you never read
how the rebellious angels who forsook their proper dwelling place are reserved for
darkness? Well then, what is an Angel if it does not keep its integrity to God. No more
of the nonsense that the Christ is God almighty, its a fallacy.
29 Apr 11
Originally posted by galveston75I dont know why this verse escapes their notice G-man, its not like its difficult to
If Jesus is God Almighty as you are saying then when he reappears he'll kill all just by the sight of him. Or is the scripture wrong that says "no man may see God and live"?
By scripture convience me that this will not happen or that the scripture is wrong?
understand, nor have i heard a plausible explanation.
29 Apr 11
Originally posted by galveston75But Jesus is a resurrected man, He has a physical body. He can appear
If Jesus is God Almighty as you are saying then when he reappears he'll kill all just by the sight of him. Or is the scripture wrong that says "no man may see God and live"?
By scripture convience me that this will not happen or that the scripture is wrong?
to us so we will not all be killed at the sight of Him, if He wishes. He was
born to be King and He has more credibilty to rule over us than the
Father because He has experienced the injustice and cruelty of man
first hand. He has also been tempted in every way that we have. And
since we will be able to see Him, we will know when to worship Him and
Who we are worshipping. Makes perfect sense to me. He also deserve
our praise and worship. The Son is the person in the Godhead that we
owe a debt to and there are many other reason we should worship Him.
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Originally posted by galveston75====================================
If Jesus is God Almighty as you are saying then when he reappears he'll kill all just by the sight of him. Or is the scripture wrong that says "no man may see God and live"?
By scripture convience me that this will not happen or that the scripture is wrong?
If Jesus is God Almighty as you are saying then when he reappears he'll kill all just by the sight of him. Or is the scripture wrong that says "no man may see God and live"?
By scripture convience me that this will not happen or that the scripture is wrong?
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You still do not understand.
When Isaiah saw God in Isaiah chapter six, he was scared to death that he was about to die:
"Woe is me, for I am finished! For I am a man of unclean lips, And in the midst of a people of unclean lips I dwell;
Yet my eyes have seen the King Jehovah of hosts." (Isa. 6:5)
He didn't die. Why ?
"Then one of the seraphim flew to me with an ember in his hand, which he had taken from the altar with a pair of tongs. And he touched my mouth with it and said,
Now that this has touched your lips, Your iniquity is taken away, and your sin is purged." (v.6,7)
Because the sinner can be touched by Christ in redemption, his iniquity is taken away. It is taken away on Calvary. There is the burning altar of all eternity where the cleansing of sin takes place because of the sacrifice of the Son of God.
The One we see is the Redeemer who takes away the sin of the world.
How can you believe when you've been brainwashed to think that the angel Michael was Jesus Christ ?
29 Apr 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI would consider you and G-75 my brothers if even just that in a very general sense we are all God's Children. Created in His image and on that level I acknowledge both of you guys as my fellow man and that the respect that you deserve is for this reason.
If you really loved my Lord Jesus, you would not let that question keep you from
voluntarily getting on your knees with a Christian brother to confess that Jesus is Lord.
As you have stated Jaywill, i am not your brother. I am merely commenting upon the
scripture and its misapplication by you, if you would kindly address those
insurmountabl ...[text shortened]... your assertion, you may do better. You will of course find
them in the verse that you quoted.
I agree with J-Will and Hinds at least on one thing however it truly is the Spirit of God who opens man's mind to the scriptures without it's just an intellectual pursuit or something else I guess. Also this word Grace oh what a beautiful thing it is the unmerited favor of God bestowed upon us (Yes me) sinful man. The song Amazing Grace and Newton as I know your aware of the story. Look at the Apostle Paul on the Damascus road off to kill Christians and Lord who are you Paul said? Grace is God's favor to us.
Manny
29 Apr 11
Originally posted by jaywillDo they really think the angel Michael was Jesus Christ?
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If Jesus is God Almighty as you are saying then when he reappears he'll kill all just by the sight of him. Or is the scripture wrong that says "no man may see God and live"?
By scripture convience me that this will not happen or that the scripture is wrong?
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You still ...[text shortened]... believe when you've been brainwashed to think that the angel Michael was Jesus Christ ?[/b]
If so they appear beyond hope. May God have mercy on them
because of their ignorance.
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Originally posted by RJHinds========================================
Do they really think the angel Michael was Jesus Christ?
If so they appear beyond hope. May God have mercy on them
because of their ignorance.
Do they really think the angel Michael was Jesus Christ?
If so they appear beyond hope. May God have mercy on them
because of their ignorance.
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They teach that it was Michael the archangel who became Jesus Christ.
I think this Jehovah's Witnesses has its roots in something occultic, perhaps the Masons. It is definitely a doctrine of demons.