The Holy Spirit

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
A Muslim would not even think to treat the Bible so disrespectfully.

It is the Koran that they are concerned about.

Originally posted by RJHinds
It is the Koran that they are concerned about.

And what does the Qur’an say about the Torah and the Gospels?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
A Muslim would not even think to treat the Bible so disrespectfully.

Just a quick note to say that I hope you and yours are wonderfully well, old friend!

[And for those who are incapable of imagining such a thing, Robbie and I agree about practically nothing in terms of religious/spiritual beliefs--and yet became friends even as we argued. But he does know me pretty well from all our interaction on here...]

Originally posted by vistesd
Just a quick note to say that I hope you and yours are wonderfully well, old friend!

[And for those who are incapable of imagining such a thing, Robbie and I agree about practically nothing in terms of religious/spiritual beliefs--and yet became friends even as we argued. But he does know me pretty well from all our interaction on here...]

yes indeed, how the forum reverberates with good will and fellow feeling every time you post my friend!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Indeed, when one actually looks at the details of the scripture it is evidently clear
that it is in the sense of acknowledging the position of the Christ as King of Gods
Kingdom, not literally bending down on ones knee as you have erroneously tried to
assert. What is more i think its simply an excuse on your part Jaywill in order to
avoid ha ...[text shortened]... interfaith, of which we will have nothing to do, perhaps this thought never
crossed your mind.

Okay, let me get this straight.

The JWs come door to door for the express purpose of getting converts to the JWs, and NOT to bring people to Christ? (BTW, this makes what you do a head-hunting mission then, for the glory of your own church, not a public ministry for the glory of God.)

Also, an act of interfaith is THAT abhorrent to you?

What happened to tolerance?


When I bring people to Christ the absolute LAST thing on my mind is concern over what denomination they will end up as. Did Christ care? No, He said Follow me. Not Follow me, but only if you want to be a JW.

Originally posted by vistesd
And what does the Qur’an say about the Torah and the Gospels?

I have never read the Koran, but that is the book they value above
all others. Mistreatment of that book will cause threats, riots, and acts
of violence. They never said a word when the Holy Bible was burned.
So whatever the Koran or Qur'an says seems irrelavent to me.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Okay, let me get this straight.

The JWs come door to door for the express purpose of getting converts to the JWs, and NOT to bring people to Christ? (BTW, this makes what you do a head-hunting mission then, for the glory of your own church, not a public ministry for the glory of God.)

Also, an act of interfaith is THAT abhorrent to you?

What happe ...[text shortened]... p as. Did Christ care? No, He said Follow me. Not Follow me, but only if you want to be a JW.

oh Suzzianne, we go from house to house to encourage people to look to Gods
word, if they are of a mind, we study the Bible with them, if not, we just go and try
to find someone who is interested in the Bible. It matters not whether they are
atheist, Satanist, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, if they are interested in the Bible, we
shall spend our time, freely, teaching them about it and if they like what they are
learning they apply its principles in their lives. This has immense practical value
and many have overcome all sorts of problems, from prostitution to alcohol abuse.

I resent therefore your terms that it is for self glorification, indeed i really think you
need to learn to impute pure motives to others, cynicism is not becoming a
Christian, for does not the scripture state that love believes all things, in that its
willing to impute pure motives to others?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No way, you need to be one of the special ones to use the New World Translation of the
Holy Scriptures (peace be upon it), mere mortals should not use it, its too powerful!

If I got a real NWT I would actually keep it 🙂 Why throw it away? I would like to find an early one because you can see apparently pre-changes and where the JW doctine changed in the later newer additions.


Manny

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
oh Suzzianne, we go from house to house to encourage people to look to Gods
word, if they are of a mind, we study the Bible with them, if not, we just go and try
to find someone who is interested in the Bible. It matters not whether they are
atheist, Satanist, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, if they are interested in the Bible, we
shall spend our ...[text shortened]... ure state that love believes all things, in that its
willing to impute pure motives to others?

It looks to me that you are a slave to the JW Organization since you
are doing their bidding for free. You are certainly are not doing it
for the love of Jesus since you refuse to give him the honor He
rightfully deserves.

Originally posted by RJHinds
It looks to me that you are a slave to the JW Organization since you
are doing their bidding for free. You are certainly are not doing it
for the love of Jesus since you refuse to give him the honor He
rightfully deserves.

what do you know about a public ministry? Did not the Christ himself state, you
received free therefore give free? You dont know anything about it, your content to let
others do the work. Which is about as far removed from Christ as i can imagine.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what do you know about a public ministry? Did not the Christ himself state, you
received free therefore give free? You dont know anything about it, your content to let
others do the work. Which is about as far removed from Christ as i can imagine.

Do not have time. Must leave now. Be back later.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I have never read the Koran, but that is the book they value above
all others. Mistreatment of that book will cause threats, riots, and acts
of violence. They never said a word when the Holy Bible was burned.
So whatever the Koran or Qur'an says seems irrelavent to me.

I don’t recall any situation in which the Bible was burned, or which—if any—Muslims “said a word”; I’m not contradicting the claim, I just don’t have any recollection. I expect, however, that you would object to Christians (real or so-called)—or anyone else, for that matter—publicly burning the Koran, or else you would not have much ground for criticism in the matter.

I do not say that the Koran (or Qur’an: no matter the transliteration) has to be relevant for your own religious faith—not at all. At any point at which it conflicts with the teachings of your Christian beliefs, you cannot accept it. Understood. You could simply state that: “I haven’t read the Koran, but in any place that it contradicts ____________, I would have to reject it.” Actually, your brief synopsis seems pretty accurate; whether your synopsis of Christian beliefs is strictly correct (within the range of opinion among Christians) I will not judge—but it’s pretty consistent with the version I grew up with.

At the same time, one might expect it to be relevant to Muslim beliefs—for example, with regard to how the Torah and the Gospels are to be viewed. And there is no more some unambiguous “they” among those who claim the name Muslim than there is among those who claim the name Christian (and I’ll stay out of “intramural” arguments about who is, or is not, a “true Muslim™” or a “true Christian™” ).

Some want to teach,
some want to preach,
some just want to attack
whatever pushes back—
the trick, it seems, is simply
not to over-reach.
And best among them all
are those who treat “the stranger” well.

The point is to invest the time and effort to study and understand what the other—the “stranger”—believes, the basis for those beliefs, and the requirements for consistency before declaiming on them as if one actually knew. I am not accusing you of doing that! I am just using (perhaps unfairly) what you wrote to try and make the point…

Originally posted by RJHinds
It looks to me that you are a slave to the JW Organization since you
are doing their bidding for free. You are certainly are not doing it
for the love of Jesus since you refuse to give him the honor He
rightfully deserves.

Oh my...You have no clue at all.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Okay, let me get this straight.

The JWs come door to door for the express purpose of getting converts to the JWs, and NOT to bring people to Christ? (BTW, this makes what you do a head-hunting mission then, for the glory of your own church, not a public ministry for the glory of God.)

Also, an act of interfaith is THAT abhorrent to you?

What happe ...[text shortened]... p as. Did Christ care? No, He said Follow me. Not Follow me, but only if you want to be a JW.

Who's tolerance? Mans or Gods?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what do you know about a public ministry? Did not the Christ himself state, you
received free therefore give free? You dont know anything about it, your content to let
others do the work. Which is about as far removed from Christ as i can imagine.

YOUR IMAGINATION IS REALLY OUT OF THIS WORLD THEN!