The JW's should be the YW's

Originally posted by Rajk999
Oh .. thats great. Thanks so much for that.

I guess Christ did not know all that good stuff, and he was not sure what soul meant. I dont understand this Jesus Christ guy .. going around talking about things he not sure of.

Thank goodness God sent you JWs to teach us the truth ... LOL ...😀

SOUL PART 4:

Soul—A Living Creature. As stated, man “came to be a living soul”; hence man was a soul, he did not have a soul as something immaterial, invisible, and intangible residing inside him. The apostle Paul shows that the Christian teaching did not differ from the earlier Hebrew teaching, for he quotes Genesis 2:7 in saying: “It is even so written: ‘The first man Adam became a living soul [psykhen zosan].’ . . . The first man is out of the earth and made of dust.”—1Co 15:45-47.
The Genesis account shows that a living soul results from the combination of the earthly body with the breath of life. The expression “breath of the force of life [literally, breath of the spirit, or active force (ruach), of life]” (Ge 7:22) indicates that it is by breathing air (with its oxygen) that the life-force, or “spirit,” in all creatures, man and animals, is sustained. This life-force is found in every cell of the creature’s body, as is discussed under LIFE; SPIRIT.
Since the term nephesh refers to the creature itself, we should expect to find the normal physical functions or characteristics of fleshly creatures attributed to it. This is exactly the case. Nephesh (soul) is spoken of as eating flesh, fat, blood, or similar material things (Le 7:18, 20, 25, 27; 17:10, 12, 15; De 23:24); being hungry for or craving food and drink (De 12:15, 20, 21; Ps 107:9; Pr 19:15; 27:7; Isa 29:8; 32:6; Mic 7:1); being made fat (Pr 11:25); fasting (Ps 35:13); touching unclean things, such as a dead body (Le 5:2; 7:21; 17:15; 22:6; Nu 19:13); being ‘seized as a pledge’ or being ‘kidnapped’ (De 24:6, 7); doing work (Le 23:30); being refreshed by cold water when tired (Pr 25:25); being purchased (Le 22:11; Eze 27:13); being given as a vow offering (Le 27:2); being put in irons (Ps 105:18); being sleepless (Ps 119:28); and struggling for breath (Jer 15:9).
It may be noted that in many texts reference is made to “my soul,” “his [or her] soul,” “your soul,” and so forth. This is because nephesh and psykhe can mean one’s own self as a soul. The sense of the term can therefore often be expressed in English by use of personal pronouns. Thus Lexicon in Veteris Testamenti Libros (p. 627) shows that “my nephesh” means “I” (Ge 27:4, 25; Isa 1:14); “your [singular] nephesh” means “thou” or “you” (Ge 27:19, 31; Isa 43:4; 51:23); “his nephesh” means “he, himself” (Nu 30:2; Isa 53:10); “her nephesh” means “she, herself” (Nu 30:5-12), and so forth.
The Greek term psykhe is used similarly. Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (1981, Vol. 4, p. 54) says it may be used as “the equivalent of the personal pronoun, used for emphasis and effect:—1st person, John 10:24 (‘us&rsquo😉; Heb. 10:38; cp. [compare] Gen. 12:13; Num. 23:10; Jud. 16:30; Ps. 120:2 (‘me&rsquo😉; 2nd person, 2 Cor. 12:15; Heb. 13:17,” and so forth.
Represents life as a creature. Both nephesh and psykhe are also used to mean life—not merely as an abstract force or principle—but life as a creature, human or animal.
Thus when Rachel was giving birth to Benjamin, her nephesh (“soul,” or life as a creature) went out from her and she died. (Ge 35:16-19) She ceased to be a living creature. Similarly, when the prophet Elijah performed a miracle regarding the dead son of the widow of Zarephath, the child’s nephesh (“soul,” or life as a creature) came back into him and “he came to life,” was again a living creature.—1Ki 17:17-23.
Because the creature’s life is so inseparably connected with and dependent on blood (shed blood standing for the life of the person or creature [Ge 4:10; 2Ki 9:26; Ps 9:12; Isa 26:21]), the Scriptures speak of the nephesh (soul) as being “in the blood.” (Ge 9:4; Le 17:11, 14; De 12:23) This is, obviously, not meant literally, inasmuch as the Scriptures also speak of the “blood of your souls” (Ge 9:5; compare Jer 2:34) and the many references already considered could not reasonably be applied solely to the blood or its life-supporting qualities.
Nephesh (soul) is not used with reference to the creation of vegetable life on the third creative “day” (Ge 1:11-13) or thereafter, since vegetation is bloodless.
Examples of the use of the Greek psykhe to mean “life as a creature” may be found at Matthew 6:25; 10:39; 16:25, 26; Luke 12:20; John 10:11, 15; 13:37, 38; 15:13; Acts 20:10. Since God’s servants have the hope of a resurrection in the event of death, they have the hope of living again as “souls,” or living creatures. For that reason Jesus could say that “whoever loses his soul [his life as a creature] for the sake of me and the good news will save it. Really, of what benefit is it for a man to gain the whole world and to forfeit his soul? What, really, would a man give in exchange for his soul?” (Mr 8:35-37) Similarly, he stated: “He that is fond of his soul destroys it, but he that hates his soul in this world will safeguard it for everlasting life.” (Joh 12:25) These texts, and others like them, show the correct understanding of Jesus’ words at Matthew 10:28: “Do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather be in fear of him that can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.” While men can kill the body, they cannot kill the person for all time, inasmuch as he lives in God’s purpose (compare Lu 20:37, 38) and God can and will restore such faithful one to life as a creature by means of a resurrection. For God’s servants, the loss of their “soul,” or life as a creature, is only temporary, not permanent.—Compare Re 12:11.

SOUL PART 5:

Mortal and destructible. On the other hand, Matthew 10:28 states that God “can destroy both soul [psykhen] and body in Gehenna.” This shows that psykhe does not refer to something immortal or indestructible. There is, in fact, not one case in the entire Scriptures, Hebrew and Greek, in which the words ne′phesh or psykhe are modified by terms such as immortal, indestructible, imperishable, deathless, or the like. (See IMMORTALITY; INCORRUPTION.) On the other hand, there are scores of texts in the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures that speak of the nephesh or psykhe (soul) as mortal and subject to death (Ge 19:19, 20; Nu 23:10; Jos 2:13, 14; Jg 5:18; 16:16, 30; 1Ki 20:31, 32; Ps 22:29; Eze 18:4, 20; Mt 2:20; 26:38; Mr 3:4; Heb 10:39; Jas 5:20); as dying, being “cut off” or destroyed (Ge 17:14; Ex 12:15; Le 7:20; 23:29; Jos 10:28-39; Ps 78:50; Eze 13:19; 22:27; Ac 3:23; Re 8:9; 16:3), whether by sword (Jos 10:37; Eze 33:6) or by suffocation (Job 7:15), or being in danger of death due to drowning (Jon 2:5); and also as going down into the pit or into Sheol (Job 33:22; Ps 89:48) or being delivered therefrom (Ps 16:10; 30:3; 49:15; Pr 23:14).
Dead soul. The expression ‘deceased or dead soul’ also appears a number of times, meaning simply “a dead person.”—Le 19:28; 21:1, 11; 22:4; Nu 5:2; 6:6; Hag 2:13; compare Nu 19:11, 13.

The holy spirit is not a person but is Jehovah’s active force: Taken from G-75

Acts 5
1But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property,
2and kept back some of the price for himself, with his wife's full knowledge, and bringing a portion of it, he laid it at the apostles' feet.

3But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land?

4"While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."

If the Holy Spirit is just a force then how can it be lied to? Or how can a force be lied to? Forces are impersonal!

Manny

12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."

Also how can a force teach?






Manny

Originally posted by menace71
12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."

Also how can a force teach?






Manny

Originally posted by galveston75
I thought we were talking about the soul here?

Originally posted by Rajk999
Yes we are, and you are not answering the questions. All that pointless cut and paste does not deal with the issue which is as follows:

Why would Christ the Son of God who knows just about everything, give a parable which seems to support the 'false' doctrine that the soul and body are separate, and that the body can die and the soul can live on after unt ...[text shortened]... were able to see and feel and hear. Are you saying that Christ is supporting false doctrines?

Originally posted by galveston75
SOUL PART 4:

Soul—A Living Creature. As stated, man “came to be a living soul”; hence man was a soul, he did not have a soul as something immaterial, invisible, and intangible residing inside him. The apostle Paul shows that the Christian teaching did not differ from the earlier Hebrew teaching, for he quotes Genesis 2:7 in saying: “It is even so writ ...[text shortened]... loss of their “soul,” or life as a creature, is only temporary, not permanent.—Compare Re 12:11.

Originally posted by galveston75
I thought we were talking about the soul here?

Originally posted by duecer
no...some of us were trying to engage in a discussion about it, and then you filibustered with a cut and paste that no one is likely to read completely through. Heck most won't even scan through it.


brevity dude...brevity

Originally posted by divegeester
Diversion tactic. When you have nothing to say about something, say a lot about something else.

Originally posted by galveston75
""IF"" you would actually take the time to read what I posted you will find the answer there in black and white. But since you or no one else seems to read it, it would make me believe that you are not really looking for any answers but are here to only argue and have no interest in possibly learning a single thing.
So if you ask a question why we beli message me and I will be glad to have a conversation with you that might benifit us both.

Originally posted by galveston75
""IF"" you would actually take the time to read what I posted you will find the answer there in black and white. But since you or no one else seems to read it, it would make me believe that you are not really looking for any answers but are here to only argue and have no interest in possibly learning a single thing.
So if you ask a question why we beli ...[text shortened]... message me and I will be glad to have a conversation with you that might benifit us both.

Originally posted by duecer
so if I cut and paste a few thousand words supporting the trinity, will you read all of it? probably not. But if I sum those few thousand words up in say....100 words with a link for more info, you will likely read my post even if you ignore the link.



I guess the point I'm trying to make is that in a discussion, I want to know what [b]YOU think, I don't want to read some regurgitated crud.[/b]