28 Oct 13
Originally posted by twhiteheadBecause I know you have had a knowledge of the gospel in the past and understand the nuances as detailed in the bible.
How could I know the answer to it? I can't read your mind. I thought most Christians believe that salvation was dished out in return for believing in Jesus, but you clearly said that there is nothing you can do to achieve salvation.
28 Oct 13
Originally posted by SwissGambitAnd it is error.
I'll tell you what. I'm going to wait for it to happen in this thread. When it does, I will point it out to you.
Whether or not a person sins or not has no bearing to the casual onlooker as to whether that person being observed is saved or not. It is a matter between them and God. There are people who could be saved and commit sin and there are those who sin and claim to be saved and are not. It is not doctrine it's just possibility.
28 Oct 13
Originally posted by twhiteheadOh dear, still pretending you didn't know what I meant by "why ask questions to answers you already know". I'm not going to explain how you get saved to you twhitehead, because you already know from your prior knowledge of the gospel. You can play this "how can I read your mind" game all night if you want to.
So how would my knowledge of the gospel help me to read your mind?
28 Oct 13
Originally posted by divegeesterHey - deferring to God - there's an idea. Maybe God could get more respect in these kinds of debates?
And it is error.
Whether or not a person sins or not has no bearing to the casual onlooker as to whether that person being observed is saved or not. It is a matter between them and God. There are people who could be saved and commit sin and there are those who sin and claim to be saved and are not. It is not doctrine it's just possibility.
28 Oct 13
Originally posted by PudgenikThe confusion is who recieves this salvation and when it is granted to them.
To believe in this concept, is ridiculous. It would be like saying, "today" I believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. And tomorrow I can do whatever I want, because I am "saved". Doing whatever I want, to commit all manner of sin, but look I am a child of God.
Has know one ever read, where Jesus is talking about those at judgement. You faithful co ...[text shortened]... e, we healed people in your name." Then the Lord said to them, "Away from me, I never knew you".
No where does the Bible say ALL humans who believe in Jesus and God's Kingdom will be saved. The Bible was not talking about all humans when this was said but only a select few.
Secondly the scripture says they "WILL" be saved as in a future time. If salvation happened the minute someone professes they "believe" the scriptures would have said you are saved "then" which they do not.
28 Oct 13
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Originally posted by galveston751 John 2:2 New International Version
The confusion is who recieves this salvation and when it is granted to them.
No where does the Bible say ALL humans who believe in Jesus and God's Kingdom will be saved. The Bible was not talking about all humans when this was said but only a select few.
Secondly the scripture says they "WILL" be saved as in a future time. If salvation happened the ...[text shortened]... professes they "believe" the scriptures would have said you are saved "then" which they do not.
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Mark 8:34 (KJV) "Whosoever will, come after me..."
"And whosoever will, let him take of the water of life freely." (Revelation 22:17)
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28 Oct 13
Ephesians 1:13,14.. And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
28 Oct 13
Originally posted by checkbaiterGlad we found something we agree on.
Ephesians 1:13,14.. And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
28 Oct 13
Originally posted by divegeesterYes, I already know from my prior knowledge of the gospel. I was not asking you what I think the gospel says. I was asking what you think given that what you said contradicts what I think, and more importantly given that what you said makes no sense whatsoever.
Oh dear, still pretending you didn't know what I meant by "why ask questions to answers you already know". I'm not going to explain how you get saved to you twhitehead, because you already know from your prior knowledge of the gospel. You can play this "how can I read your mind" game all night if you want to.
28 Oct 13
Originally posted by twhiteheadWell why don't you tell me what you think and then we can go from there, instead of all this silly mind reading stuff.
Yes, I already know from my prior knowledge of the gospel. I was not asking you what I think the gospel says. I was asking what you think given that what you said contradicts what I think, and more importantly given that what you said makes no sense whatsoever.
28 Oct 13
Originally posted by divegeesterI already told you what you think, and then asked you for your opinion. Its you thats being silly. Go back and read through the thread. Your avoidance tactics are ridiculous.
Well why don't you tell me what you think and then we can go from there, instead of all this silly mind reading stuff.