The Processed Triune God

Originally posted by jaywill
Most likely that Jesus Christ was HISTORY and not a legend or myth.

And I take His word over yours anyday. He has the approvedness of being absolute for truth, even at the cost of His life.

Basically, I think your only interested in your own skin. I see self sacrifice in Christ that persuades me that His Father and He are realities.

All I see in holy, loving, and righteous God your enemy. Someone has poured these slanders into your mind.

Originally posted by no1marauder
A) Jesus Christ, the man, was probably history.

B) You don't even understand his words as your misreading of Matthew 25 shows;

C) Your God is an anthropomorphic creation of semi-savages. The attributes you give him are bizarre and self-contradictory. He doesn't exist in reality, so he can hardly be "slandered".

DoggProblem and no1mauroder have done their level best to highjack this thread from the topic of the process that the Triune God passed through in His two great BECAMES

To reiterate God has passed through a process in order to make Himself available to be dispensed into man to be man's life.

Of course we have two little yelping puppies - "Tell us about hell and punishment. That's what we like to throw our stones at. That's all we know. Tell us about fire insurance and why judgment has exist at all."

I guess their Bibles are very short, containing three verses.

"In the beginning God created ... then God threatened everyone with going to hell. THE END!"


What about the Word became flesh? What about the last Adam became a life giving Spirit?

Goes right over their head.

Okay, no1marauder.

If you think you understand the book of Matthew so much better than I then tell me - what is "the kingdom of the heavens" mentioned so many times in the book of Matthew?

What is it?

Originally posted by jaywill
Don't need to look up "distortions". I see plenty of great examples in distortions in your warped and biased criticisms of Christ and God of the Bible.

You have furnished me with pristine examples of distortions. Thank God I read the Bible for myself.

Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
Sometimes the worst thing you can do to a christian is actually read their own bible to them.

The long awaited rebuttal proving that a WARNING is a THREAT and COERCION from God is curiously lacking.

I challenge someone to give me an example in the New Testament of a BELIEVER in Christ who was FORCED and COERCED to believe in Christ.

You have 27 books from which to point me out an example of God forcing someone to become a Christian.

Chapter and verses please. Where are the disciples who were forced to be disciples?

Originally posted by jaywill
[b]Another poor analogy. Parents don't have control of fire, but God has control of who goes to hell. The bible makes it clear that it is God who casts the body and soul into hell.

The have control over a spanking with a belt or a going to a room without dinner.

I would not expect there to be any perfect analogy between limited, fallible ...[text shortened]... with His severity in judging those who wish to follow their leader Satan to his reward.[/b]

Originally posted by jaywill
The long awaited rebuttal proving that a WARNING is a THREAT and COERCION from God is curiously lacking.

Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
Long awaited? A few hours' wait is 'long awaited'? Get some patience. As much as my participation in this discussion makes me think I've got no life, I really do have other things I enjoy doing in the day. People who bitch because they don't get an immediate response on internet forums are LOSERS.

Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
After a child gets spanked or sent to their room, their life goes on. The point of those corrections is to improve behavior later on. After God sends someone to hell, that's it. They're trapped there forever. Your analogy is worse than just inaccurate, or approximate; it's completely defective.

There is no ultimate righteous authority. Nor is the w ...[text shortened]... nel vision, when in fact, you simply cross out or ignore the verses you don't like.

After a child gets spanked or sent to their room, their life goes on. The point of those corrections is to improve behavior later on.

If this is your complaint then why do I not see every single sinful act in the Bible immediately followed by a sentencing by God to eternal punishment?

Cain commited the first murder of his brother Abel. Then he lied to God about it. Do you see God immediately sentencing him to hell?

Aren’t there quite a few people in the Bible whose lives “went on” after murder, adultery, stealing, idol worship, fornication …etc.?

You are not seriously going to propose that the God of the Bible seems to offer no “corrective” discipine with a view to causing the sinner to change his or her ways? It is your caricature of God that He is “hell happy” and displays no corrective discipline in the 66 books of the Bible.


After God sends someone to hell, that's it. They're trapped there forever. Your analogy is worse than just inaccurate, or approximate; it's completely defective.

I don’t think “trapped” is what I see in the Bible concerning “eternal punishment”. I see a person’s ultimate escape from the God they disdain. Probably to leave such a place and step into the light of God would be more painful than the punishments of perdition. Confronting the reality of Who they have spurned and rejected, I think, would be a greater pain than the punishments of perdition.

Aside from this the pains of hell will keep the lost occupied so that they would not be carrying on their sins against one another forever. They will be too distracted with their punishment. Otherwise they would carry on endless rebellion against all goodness and perpetuate endless crimes against each other.

God has prepared a place for those who want nothing to do with Him. If God is the source of all peace, goodness, love, joy, and righteousness and mercy, then we have to understand the place where He is not wanted is a hell.

It is His responsibility as the King of the universe to inform us fairly that we may choose to have nothing to do with God. But such a place is a hell.

If God is rejected then from where do we derive this eternal blessed place where God is forever rejected? Should He not make such a place clearly and definitelty undesirable?


There is no ultimate righteous authority. Nor is the world without one eternally pleasant; quite the contrary, in fact. The widespread existence of evil is an indication that there is not some all-powerful, morally perfect being watching over things.

The problem with this argument is that the so-called “widespread existence of evil” we are promised in temporary. The believers in God know from His promise and His word that the rebellion will be put down and that the opposition to God cannot prevail to exist forever. And we believe from His word that history is swiftly moving in that direction where Satan and his hosts and their influence will be destroyed.

What you should be concerned with is that this evil one wants, out of sheer hatred for God, to take as many deceived other creatures with him, including man.

Satan’s job is to convince you that Satan is God, and that God is Satan. The Devil’s activity is to completely reverse your understanding of the character of God and His enemy.

God is not the enemy. The Bible wakes us up to this fact.


I am fixated on the brutal injustice of God's use of hell as punishment for good reason. Could you hang out with a friend and have a good time if you knew he had a gun and would shoot you if you decided to leave? I think not.

Now its my turn to say “Poor analogy”.

But to make it slightly more “Christian” let’s say your father (the friend) has already taken the bullet into his head on your behalf so that you would never have to. And he has come back to life and asks you to believe.

That is neither a perfect analogy. But it represents an angle to the matter which you want to ignore. Christ drank from the cup of wrath so that you could drink from the cup of blessing.

Have you had wrong doings done against you? Did you think God did not notice? Do you think those who harmed you have no accounting to God for the wound they inflicted upon you? And it works the other way also. There are those you have sinned against. Did you think there was no record of it?

Christ carried up our sins in His body onto the tree. He was made sin for us on the cross that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. He or she who believes into Christ is seen by God as if they had never sinned. In fact Christ has effectively already gone through the equivalence of eternal hell in their behalf.

Now He charges us to believe in what He has done. I think you should give equal time to consider the loving offer of His death and resurrection for your total reconciliation and redemption to a Perfect and Holy God of Justice.

I’m sorry that we humans didn’t get a chance to vote on what kind of God this universe will have. We were created and He was here when we arrived. And God is Perfection. But He is also LOVE. And He has a way in which He can work His love for us and not violate His perfection. He can forgive us righteously. He can forgive us and at the same time not violate His own eternal perfection. The redemption of His Son is His way that He can love us, not sloppily and permisively, but righteously.

He will save us. But He must save us in a way that does not violate His own eternal holiness and perfection which He will never abandon.

I think that I should in stead give thanks and receive His salvation.
I don’t see what would be the point of yelling forever “Its not fair! Its not fair!”

Probably, to see sin for the awfulness of what it really is would cause the lost to be relieved that justice has caught up to them.

Everyone's conscience will one day catch up with them.

Originally posted by howardgee
If you haven't already realised that Jay'sSwill is a loser, then you are probably one yourself!

Originally posted by howardgee
If you haven't already realised that Jay'sSwill is a loser, then you are probably one yourself!