The thing about LOVE

@divegeester said to @KellyJay
Your version of God supernaturally keeps non-Christians alive and burns them for eternity for not believing in him.

Just stop and think about that for a moment.

I guess that thought just passed you by...

@divegeester said

@divegeester said to @KellyJay
Your version of God supernaturally keeps non-Christians alive and burns them for eternity for not believing in him.

Just stop and think about that for a moment.

I guess that thought just passed you by...

I don't have a version of God. Versions require many gods there is only One, you either accept the Word as is, or you have your versions of it. The scripture is clear, when He judges us it is going to be through His grace, or through His wrath. Outraging the Spirit of grace is not wise!

Hebrews 10:29
How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?

@kellyjay said
I don't have a version of God. Versions require many gods there is only One, you either accept the Word as is, or you have your versions of it.

Agreed, and your particular interpretation of the Bible translates into a version of God who chooses to supernaturally keep non-Christians alive and burns them for eternity for not believing in him.

Where is the “love” in doing that to billions of people for eternity? It’s monstrous cruelty.

@kellyjay said
I never said Jesus said that, the Kingdom of God doesn't put up with sin, evil, and wickedness. No one gets in without the righteousness of God, you cannot even see it without the Spirit of God.

So Jesus Christ in all his years of preaching, never preached to the many thousands that God requires perfection. Thanks for clearing that up.

That doctrine comes from your church.

@divegeester said
Agreed, and your particular interpretation of the Bible translates into a version of God who chooses to supernaturally keep non-Christians alive and burns them for eternity for not believing in him.

Where is the “love” in doing that to billions of people for eternity? It’s monstrous cruelty.

Not true it’s due to what they did, didn’t do, said, and didn’t say, even our thoughts come into play! Salvation came at great cost to Jesus Christ so when we stand before Him it will be to answer for the life He gave us.

Keep in mind He is the Lord God no matter what we say and think here.

@kellyjay said
Keep in mind He is the Lord God no matter what we say and think here.

Is this schlock platitude supposed to somehow cast a new perspective on your interpretation of the bible which allows you to rationalise the eternal torture of billions of non Christians?

@kellyjay said
Not true it’s due to what they did, didn’t do, said, and didn’t say, even our thoughts come into play!

Oh yes, you interpretation of God as a despotic genocidal psychopath choosing to keep billions of people alive while he burns them in a flesh-melting hell, is not “monstrous cruelty”...because “what they did” things they “didn’t do” things they ”didn’t say” or “thoughts” they had.

Meanwhile everyone else get a pass to do nothing because of “faith”.

@divegeester said
Is this schlock platitude supposed to somehow cast a new perspective on your interpretation of the bible which allows you to rationalise the eternal torture of billions of non Christians?

No, it is a reminder that Jesus Christ is Lord if you accept that fact or not.

@divegeester said
Oh yes, you interpretation of God as a despotic genocidal psychopath choosing to keep billions of people alive while he burns them in a flesh-melting hell, is not “monstrous cruelty”...because “what they did” things they “didn’t do” things they ”didn’t say” or “thoughts” they had.

Meanwhile everyone else get a pass to do nothing because of “faith”.

No, we are saved by grace through faith it is a gift from God won at a great price by our redeemer. You are acting as if our salvation is about us and not Christ.

@kellyjay said
No, we are saved by grace through faith it is a gift from God won at a great price by our redeemer. You are acting as if our salvation is about us and not Christ.

Salvation is about both Christ and the believer.
Christ has his part, which he did.
Those who wish to share in the Kingdom of God has a part to play.

Here it is

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
(Matthew 5:3-9 KJV)

This is an example of people doing their part.

Nowhere did Jesus ever say to people that perfection is required.
Nowhere also did Jesus say that they cannot do good works without Him.

@rajk999 said

Nowhere did Jesus ever say to people that perfection is required.

What is your reading of Matthew 5:48 ("Therefore be perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect." ), which directly follows or concludes the Sermon on the Mount?

Just a recommendation? And what is the general consensus on what is meant by "perfect" in that sentence?

(I have briefly skimmed some commentaries that suggest the original word might have more to do with completion, maturity, or full development than moral perfection.)

@rajk999 said
Salvation is about both Christ and the believer.
Christ has his part, which he did.
Those who wish to share in the Kingdom of God has a part to play.

Here it is

[i]Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they ...[text shortened]... that perfection is required.
Nowhere also did Jesus say that they cannot do good works without Him.

So God is cool with sin in your Bible?

@kellyjay said

God commands us to love Him, and each other, that type of love is true love that isn't possessive and consumption, but is instead the kind that puts the other first, forgiving, hoping, meeting the needs.

Leaving aside the issue of compulsory love or love under duress, doesn't this definition of love imply that God is also hoping for our forgiveness, and that God has needs to be met instead of being Self-sufficient?

Maybe we are the ones who have the cruel, idealistic, and unmeetable expectations of perfection from the One who Said "Behold!", Whose Fluorescent Word laid out the vast and varied Cosmos in which we little unappreciative sprouts occur.

@kellyjay said
No, it is a reminder that Jesus Christ is Lord if you accept that fact or not.

Well I’m a Christian, so err, what are you on about.

@kellyjay said
No, we are saved by grace through faith it is a gift from God won at a great price by our redeemer. You are acting as if our salvation is about us and not Christ.

But I said “faith” ...

Can’t you read?