The version of Jesus where he is a failure

@divegeester said
Shall a take this rather inept response as an acknowledgment that you have no on-point direct rebuttal of the assertion in my OP and which I’ve subsequently repeated maybe a dozen times?

It is not a matter of numbers but righteousness, your version is a perverted gospel for the unrepentant.

@kellyjay said
It is not a matter of numbers but righteousness, your version is a perverted gospel for the unrepentant.

Oh I see, your version of the “victory” at Calvary is not about numbers, it’s about how righteous the special “few” are… How convenient for you and your version of Jesus who saves only a “few” and loses billions upon billions to Satan.

What I believe about salvation is irrelevant to this thread topic, which is about this version of Jesus who is a failure.

@divegeester said
Oh I see, your version of the “victory” at Calvary is not about numbers, it’s about how righteous the special “few” are… How convenient for you and your version of Jesus who saves only a “few” and loses billions upon billions to Satan.

What I believe about salvation is irrelevant to this thread topic, which is about this version of Jesus who is a failure.

My version, your version, what does the Bible say; it most certainly does not talk about God accepting all of mankind, a way was made for all, but not all are going to make it. More are going to stay condemned then turn to God.

Matthew 13
The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers,

@kellyjay said
My version, your version, what does the Bible say; it most certainly does not talk about God accepting all of mankind, a way was made for all, but not all are going to make it. More are going to stay condemned then turn to God.

Matthew 13
The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at t ...[text shortened]... ill send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers,

Why do you keep telling me what you believe and why you believe it? Honestly KellyJay are you struggling to comprehend.

Here is what YOU believe in simple terms AGAIN:
- Your version of Jesus wins a “few”
- Satan wins billions upon billions, whom your version of Jesus personally oversees their eternal suffering.

Explain to me, in simple coherent terms and without veering off into a block of faith speak, how this version of Jesus is in any way “victorious”?

@divegeester said
Why do you keep telling me what you believe and why you believe it? Honestly KellyJay are you struggling to comprehend.

Here is what YOU believe in simple terms AGAIN:
- Your version of Jesus wins a “few”
- Satan wins billions upon billions, whom your version of Jesus personally oversees their eternal suffering.

Explain to me, in simple coherent terms and without veering off into a block of faith speak, how this version of Jesus is in any way “victorious”?

Jesus doesn't win a few; He saves those of us who would turn away from sin into Jesus' righteousness. Satan doesn't win anything; he is cast into Hell because He was a rebellion from God and those that went down the same path as him join Him in the punishment for that rebellion.

@kellyjay said
Jesus doesn't win a few;

But page 3 and again on page 11 you were defending your position of the “few” and you posted this:

Matthew 7:14
For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

So is it few or not kellyjay?

@divegeester said
But page 3 and again on page 11 you were defending your position of the “few” and you posted this:

Matthew 7:14
For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

So is it few or not kellyjay?

Yes, and?

@divegeester said
But page 3 and again on page 11 you were defending your position of the “few” and you posted this:

Matthew 7:14
For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

So is it few or not kellyjay?

What is it that Jesus says here?

Luke 13

He went on his way through towns and villages, teaching and journeying toward Jerusalem. And someone said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. When once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then he will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ But he will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you come from. Depart from me, all you workers of evil!’ In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves cast out. And people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and recline at table in the kingdom of God. And behold, some are last who will be first, and some are first who will be last.”

@kellyjay said
What is it that Jesus says here?

Luke 13

He went on his way through towns and villages, teaching and journeying toward Jerusalem. And someone said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. When once the master of the house has risen and s ...[text shortened]... e kingdom of God. And behold, some are last who will be first, and some are first who will be last.”

So contrary to what you said a few posts up, Jesus DOES just “win a few”.

Are you confused?

@kellyjay said
Yes, and?

Does Jesus win a “few” or not KellyJay?

@kellyjay said
Jesus doesn't win a few;

So which is it?

@divegeester said
So contrary to what you said a few posts up, Jesus DOES just “win a few”.

Are you confused?

Win a few, save a few, pick one! The point being a few compared to those lost, the number is smaller; it doesn't necessarily mean it's a small number; it is by comparison. What scriptures are you using for everyone to be saved, or even a more significant number will be saved versus lost? Your imagination isn't a source.

@kellyjay said
Jesus doesn't win a few;

What did you mean by this then?

No fibs now!

@kellyjay said
The point being a few compared to those lost, the number is smaller; it doesn't necessarily mean it's a small number; it is by comparison.

You’re tell me this like it’s new news 😂

I’ve been pointing this out to you all the way through this thread!

YES “few” “the elect” everyone else who goes to hell (allegedly) all the 40 odd billion people who have ever lived.

Try and show some honesty dude.

@kellyjay said
What scriptures are you using for everyone to be saved, or even a more significant number will be saved versus lost? Your imagination isn't a source.

Same ones you used on page 3 and page 11 when it suited your cherry picking to prove that it was only a “few”.

I can’t believe you are still in this thread ducking and diving like this, utterly astonishing.