The version of Jesus where he is a failure

@kellyjay said
Give scripture that shows Jesus winning as you claim He does, where everyone is accepted, and there is no Hell! All you do is make claims that go against your personal beliefs; how about something that doesn't simply come from you, something anyone can look at and see right outside of your opinion.

What God did in our salvation wasn't required of God; there was no reason ...[text shortened]... ke ourselves right, and there He saves as many as He calls, and we turn to Him. That is not failing.

This thread is about what you believe. If you want to contest my op then the onus is on YOU to defend your belief.

Now here again is the question you were asked;

Does Jesus save only this “few” who find the gate or are there any others from the billions upon billions who don’t find it?

@divegeester said
This thread is about what you believe. If you want to contest my op then the onus is on YOU to defend your belief.

Now here again is the question you were asked;

Does Jesus save only this “few” who find the gate or are there any others from the billions upon billions who don’t find it?

If you define success by numbers you can make an argument as you do. The definition of success has to do what God defines, not me or you. If all you are asking is looking at it as you define success, is Jesus a failure, my only reply to you is, who are you?

@kellyjay said
If you define success by numbers you can make an argument as you do. The definition of success has to do what God defines, not me or you. If all you are asking is looking at it as you define success, is Jesus a failure, my only reply to you is, who are you?

How would you personally define “victory” in terms terms of human lives?

@divegeester said
How would you personally define “victory” in terms terms of human lives?

Save as many as you can.

@divegeester said
This thread is about what you believe. If you want to contest my op then the onus is on YOU to defend your belief.

Now here again is the question you were asked;

Does Jesus save only this “few” who find the gate or are there any others from the billions upon billions who don’t find it?

You're the one with the fringe ideas, bucko.

@divegeester said
Your inability to face your own facts with integrity, is indelible watermark of your posting KellyJay.

Oh, the iniquity of those who disagree with you! How dare they?

@divegeester said
How would you personally define “victory” in terms terms of human lives?

What do you think of the idea that Jesus' sacrifice was "worthy" and a "victory" no matter the sheer number of those saved? The number is not the point. That ANY get saved is a miracle, and a gift from God.

This reminds me of the story of the kid walking the beach at low tide, throwing beached starfishes back into the sea. He was asked, "What are you doing? There are millions of starfish here. You are making no difference!" The kid casually throws another back into the sea and says, "It made a difference to that one."

@divegeester said
But I’m not wrong.

1) You do believe that Jesus saves an “elect” a “few”

2) You do believe that Satan causes the rest, the billions upon billions to be lost.

3) You do believe that Jesus will be in a hellish place personally overseeing the burning alive for eternity of these billions.

These are YOUR beliefs, it is what YOU believe!
It is utter failure by your version of Jesus.

You keep banging on, as if you believe free will is a farce.

God gives us free will, yet you think he is a failure.

The billions who fail choose to fail, they reject the saving option.

How is this a failure of God? Should he save all anyway? So Jesus' sacrifice meant nothing? Tell God that.

@kellyjay said
Save as many as you can.

Exactly.

And your version of Jesus not only just managed to save a “few” he predicted and foretold it would only be a “few”.

Meanwhile satan decided billions upon billions.

@suzianne said
You're the one with the fringe ideas, bucko.

“Fringe”

You think that me calling out that the version of Jesus who only manages to save a “few”, is a “fringe idea”?

@suzianne said
What do you think of the idea that Jesus' sacrifice was "worthy" and a "victory" no matter the sheer number of those saved? The number is not the point. That ANY get saved is a miracle, and a gift from God.

This reminds me of the story of the kid walking the beach at low tide, throwing beached starfishes back into the sea. He was asked, "What are you doing? There are ...[text shortened]... e kid casually throws another back into the sea and says, "It made a difference to that one."

You’re equating a kid throwing a single starfish back into the sea with the notion of an all powerful, all knowing, all loving god predicting he will only save a “few” from the burning in eternal flames?

Eternal suffering which he created for the billion upon billions which he failed to save!

@suzianne said
You keep banging on, as if you believe free will is a farce.
God gives us free will, yet you think he is a failure.
The billions who fail choose to fail, they reject the saving option.
How is this a failure of God? Should he save all anyway? So Jesus' sacrifice meant nothing? Tell God that.

The version of God which is the failure is the one where he created the scenario of life and death, created hell and decided to only save a few.

Then send people like you and KellyJay to defend him with weak as piss arguments about “free will”.

@divegeester said
Exactly.

And your version of Jesus not only just managed to save a “few” he predicted and foretold it would only be a “few”.

Meanwhile satan decided billions upon billions.

You are the one fixated on numbers; Jesus is all about truth and righteousness, not about how many, but who comes when He calls. The world could have been saved, but the world doesn't want to be saved, so the world gets what it wants.

@divegeester said
The version of God which is the failure is the one where he created the scenario of life and death, created hell and decided to only save a few.

Then send people like you and KellyJay to defend him with weak as piss arguments about “free will”.

The biblical text, not your personal opinion that you cannot back up other than saying you don't think it's right. Didn't you also say Jesus broke scripture by going against what the book of Revelation says, you think the Word of God would ever go against the Word of God?

@kellyjay said
You are the one fixated on numbers; Jesus is all about truth and righteousness, not about how many, but who comes when He calls. The world could have been saved, but the world doesn't want to be saved, so the world gets what it wants.

I am fixated on numbers, numbers of people who your version of Jesus saves and the vastly larger number whom he personally burns in hell for eternity.

#notmygod