The version of Jesus where he is a failure

@kellyjay said
If I misunderstood how can that be deliberate?

If the affectation that you have "misunderstood" was deliberately disingenuous, that's how.

@fmf said
If the affectation that you have "misunderstood" was deliberately disingenuous, that's how.

So lying?

@kellyjay said
So lying?

No, a rhetorical gimmick is how I would describe it.

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Oh, the irony.

@fmf said
I know you mostly steer clear of conversations about spiritual matters and hardly ever start threads and I know you have your petty banter- filled message board squabbles with Rajk999 and divegeester - and I know some people don't like them, while some do - but, neither of them have uttered anything remotely as pessimistic and as misanthropic about the entire human race, here on ...[text shortened]... dfish utterly consumed by the scornful taste of the neverchanging water in your tiny, tiny aquarium.

Thanks for the gaslighting attempt. Let's hope others continue to see this as what it is. Desperation to be credible to someone.

@fmf said
Virtually nobody here is as misanthropic about the human race as you are. And nobody here sugarcoats the human condition either.

All the atheists do, because it's all you got.

Keep going, someone might believe this.

@suzianne said
Thanks for the gaslighting attempt.

It's just a perspective that's different from yours, that's all, Suzianne.

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I refute your view that Jesus is a failure if He judges us in righteousness and His judgment is true and proper. You cherry-pick parts of the Bible, leaving others ignored, so you are not rightly dividing it; your 'standard of success for God' is He either wins all people or loses, is crap. Having Jesus making an unrepentant rapist just as acceptable to God as the victim has nothing to do with righteousness, judgment, and goodness; it elevates all unrepentant sinners before God; if He doesn't save us all, He fails. Whereas the scripture is clear, just as His love for us matters, so does His righteousness, goodness, and mercy.

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I don't care what you call it, my version or not, the Jesus the scriptures show us is the one you are painting as something other than how the Word portrays Him, and success according to the scriptures and yours are not the same thing either. If I were not here, you'd be in the same boat because it has nothing to do with me.

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You want the scripture to align with everything you are saying, you can refute me by accurately showing how the whole Bible message backs you up, but you cannot. My version of Jesus isn't the one you need to concern yourself with, and you are not going to be judged by what I believe.