The version of Jesus where he is a failure

@kellyjay said
If I misunderstood how can that be deliberate?

If the affectation that you have "misunderstood" was deliberately disingenuous, that's how.

@fmf said
If the affectation that you have "misunderstood" was deliberately disingenuous, that's how.

So lying?

@kellyjay said
So lying?

No, a rhetorical gimmick is how I would describe it.

@divegeester said
I feel thank Suzianne would like all the forums to only be filled with posters she approves of, making posts she approves of about topics she approves of.

Oh, the irony.

@fmf said
I know you mostly steer clear of conversations about spiritual matters and hardly ever start threads and I know you have your petty banter- filled message board squabbles with Rajk999 and divegeester - and I know some people don't like them, while some do - but, neither of them have uttered anything remotely as pessimistic and as misanthropic about the entire human race, here on ...[text shortened]... dfish utterly consumed by the scornful taste of the neverchanging water in your tiny, tiny aquarium.

Thanks for the gaslighting attempt. Let's hope others continue to see this as what it is. Desperation to be credible to someone.

@fmf said
Virtually nobody here is as misanthropic about the human race as you are. And nobody here sugarcoats the human condition either.

All the atheists do, because it's all you got.

Keep going, someone might believe this.

@suzianne said
Thanks for the gaslighting attempt.

It's just a perspective that's different from yours, that's all, Suzianne.

@kellyjay said
I'm not the one cherry-picking the verses of scripture I like and ignoring what I don't; that is you. Then you turn around and quote the verses you do like as if those would hold some importance for everyone after you savaged the whole of scripture. Do you deny using your moral compass to decide what scriptures are good and what ones are bad? Have you ever jumped on people h ...[text shortened]... l points at once, ignoring the context with a sweeping generation without addressing a single point?

I’m not cherry picking and this thread is not about cherry picking despite your repeated attempts to make it so.

This thread is discussing the premise that your version of Jesus it a total failure because as the part of your trinity Godhead which is doing the “salvation” your version of Jesus loses countless billions of souls to the devil’s lies, despite God being all powerful, all knowing and all loving.

My version of Jesus and the gospel presents an interpretation of scripture where Jesus is totally victorious.

Can you refute this?

@divegeester said
I’m not cherry picking and this thread is not about cherry picking despite your repeated attempts to make it so.

This thread is discussing the premise that your version of Jesus it a total failure because as the part of your trinity Godhead which is doing the “salvation” your version of Jesus loses countless billions of souls to the devil’s lies, despite God being all ...[text shortened]... presents an interpretation of scripture where Jesus is totally victorious.

Can you refute this?

I refute your view that Jesus is a failure if He judges us in righteousness and His judgment is true and proper. You cherry-pick parts of the Bible, leaving others ignored, so you are not rightly dividing it; your 'standard of success for God' is He either wins all people or loses, is crap. Having Jesus making an unrepentant rapist just as acceptable to God as the victim has nothing to do with righteousness, judgment, and goodness; it elevates all unrepentant sinners before God; if He doesn't save us all, He fails. Whereas the scripture is clear, just as His love for us matters, so does His righteousness, goodness, and mercy.

@kellyjay said
I refute your view that Jesus is a failure if He judges us in righteousness and His judgment is true and proper.

Ok let’s be clear; I am specifically calling out YOUR version of Jesus, not my version of Jesus. Yours.

@kellyjay said You cherry-pick parts of the Bible, leaving others ignored, so you are not rightly dividing it; your 'standard of success for God' is He either wins all people or loses, is crap. Having Jesus making an unrepentant rapist just as acceptable to God as the victim has nothing to do with righteousness, judgment, and goodness; it elevates all unrepentant sinners before God; if He d ...[text shortened]... scripture is clear, just as His love for us matters, so does His righteousness, goodness, and mercy.

Why do you keep going on about cherry picking the bible; it looks like you are just running away from the point, which is that I’m using YOUR version of Jesus, based on YOUR interpretation of scripture.

Your version of scripture paints a picture of a Jesus who loses billions and billions of souls to Satan. How in any universe is that a “victory” ?

@divegeester said
Ok let’s be clear; I am specifically calling out YOUR version of Jesus, not my version of Jesus. Yours.

I don't care what you call it, my version or not, the Jesus the scriptures show us is the one you are painting as something other than how the Word portrays Him, and success according to the scriptures and yours are not the same thing either. If I were not here, you'd be in the same boat because it has nothing to do with me.

@divegeester said
Why do you keep going on about cherry picking the bible; it looks like you are just running away from the point, which is that I’m using YOUR version of Jesus, based on YOUR interpretation of scripture.

Your version of scripture paints a picture of a Jesus who loses billions and billions of souls to Satan. How in any universe is that a “victory” ?

You want the scripture to align with everything you are saying, you can refute me by accurately showing how the whole Bible message backs you up, but you cannot. My version of Jesus isn't the one you need to concern yourself with, and you are not going to be judged by what I believe.

@kellyjay said
I Having Jesus making an unrepentant rapist just as acceptable to God as the victim has nothing to do with righteousness, judgment, and goodness; it elevates all unrepentant sinners before God; if He doesn't save us all, He fails. Whereas the scripture is clear, just as His love for us matters, so does His righteousness, goodness, and mercy.

Your version of the gospel looks like a rescue mission rather than an eternal victory. Your version looks like a Jesus who is desperate to save a few, the few, the elect. Rather than a sweeping victory for mankind.

There is a scripture in which Jesus says no one can deliver out of my hand. No one can take away those given to him.

So the question arrises in my mind that if one believes YOUR version of the gospel then god himself has only selected a few, this few, this elect and give them to Jesus.

So your version of god has chosen defeat, has choose to be out gunned by Satan and chosen to allow him to have those billions and bullions of souls which will, according to you, be burned alive for eternity.

Sounds like defeat to me.