The version of Jesus where he is a failure

@kellyjay said
The whole human race (myself included), so yes, you are part of that, as is everyone else.

Ostensibly including yourself as part of the target of your misanthropy doesn't mean it still isn't misanthropy.

@kellyjay said
If I were to say something specific about you alone, you could take that as purely personal, like how you have specifically directed some of your comments towards me.

I have not accused you of "crimes", nor have I suggested you deserve "proper punishment" [eternal torture]. You have declared yourself "made righteous" by your religious beliefs and you believe you will NOT be punished for your "crimes", lest we forget.

@fmf said
Ostensibly including yourself as part of the target of your misanthropy doesn't mean it still isn't misanthropy.

And saying something nasty about someone by name can be called offensive speech, which would dispel the notion that you never say anything offensive. I imagine I will now hear your 'justification' for doing that, making what you did 'righteous' while you justify yourself condemning me.

@fmf said
I have not accused you of "crimes", nor have I suggested you deserve "proper punishment" [eternal torture]. You have declared yourself "made righteous" by your religious beliefs and you believe you will NOT be punished for your "crimes", lest we forget.

Being made righteous by someone else is not something I can take credit for; I didn't earn it, I didn't become worthy of it; it is all due to Jesus Christ. He took all of our crimes against God and each other on Himself for us, the innocent justifying the guilty, but those who think they do not need God's forgiveness will not receive what they don't want.

@kellyjay said
Being made righteous by someone else is not something I can take credit for;

Nice try, KellyJay. You nevertheless do declare yourself righteous on account of your religious beliefs.

@kellyjay said
Jesus Christ took all of our crimes against God and each other on Himself for us, the innocent justifying the guilty, but those who think they do not need God's forgiveness will not receive what they don't want.

Go forth and "sin", then, KellyJay.

-Removed-

I'm not the one cherry-picking the verses of scripture I like and ignoring what I don't; that is you. Then you turn around and quote the verses you do like as if those would hold some importance for everyone after you savaged the whole of scripture. Do you deny using your moral compass to decide what scriptures are good and what ones are bad? Have you ever jumped on people here who don't see the world as you do as wrong because you know how you see things is the 'right way?' Do you think everyone should conform to how you see things? Do you go after people calling them dishonest? That is so endearing! How about belittling several points at once, ignoring the context with a sweeping generation without addressing a single point?

@fmf said
Go forth and "sin", then, KellyJay.

No, Jesus came to set us free from sin, not so we could still be mastered by it. You must have forgotten quite a bit since the time you once claimed to be one, or you never understood what you once claimed to be.

@kellyjay said
No, Jesus came to set us free from sin, not so we could still be mastered by it.

And yet you "sin" safe in the knowledge that you have already been "forgiven" by something that happened 2,000 years ago.

@fmf said
Nice try, KellyJay. You nevertheless do declare yourself righteous on account of your religious beliefs.

No, I don't; I claim Jesus makes us clean by His sacrifice for us and justifies us by rising from the dead so we can live in Him. I can declare whatever I want, make any assertion I desire that doesn't mean squat if what I'm saying isn't based in reality. I could just as easily declare a lie as truth; what I assert or declare isn't true because I accept it or declare it so.

We could take this out of religion for a second, and the same thing is true if I were to declare the theory of evolution is true; if it is true or not doesn't change, I just made an assertion, either way, I'm making an assertion, the truth of evolution or its errors would remain no matter what I say about it. I can claim anything; it isn't the claim but its truth that matters.

@kellyjay said
You must have forgotten quite a bit since the time you once claimed to be one, or you never understood what you once claimed to be.

Excellent debating, KellyJay! I have lost my faith and no longer find what I once believed to be coherent or credible. Fancy that!

@fmf said
And yet you "sin" safe in the knowledge that you have already been "forgiven" by something that happened 2,000 years ago.

We are either forgiven because of Christ or not; forgiven, we strive to serve Him; it isn't a matter of living right to get right; it is being made right to live right.

@kellyjay said
No, I don't; I claim Jesus makes us clean by His sacrifice for us and justifies us by rising from the dead so we can live in Him. I can declare whatever I want, make any assertion I desire that doesn't mean squat if what I'm saying isn't based in reality. I could just as easily declare a lie as truth; what I assert or declare isn't true because I accept it or declare it so.

Thanks for the embellishment. The core of it, however, remains: your religious beliefs make you righteous, while I [without your religious beliefs] am not righteous. Voila!