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@sonship saidLee reads like a cultist and your Locsl church looks like a Lee cult to me, where this man is elevated to a status which he neither deserves and which cultivates and spirit of man worship.
Witness Lee's wisdom. Any other contributions to the matter?
Is there something more on the Trinity from Ghost's quotes that needs discussion ?
There is no “fountain of blood” despite whatever hymns it appears in.
God is not “triune”; this is a man-made word to support the man-made doctrine of the trinity. Salvation is absolutely not dependent on believing in this doctrine, to claim so is error and cultism.
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@sonship saidYou quoted me as saying something which I never said, you were lying, making it up. You should apologise.
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Where did I “provide that quote” ?
I mean you supplied it as a matter for discussion.
Here’s what you said and are now trying to back away from;
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your little one liner "Let's get sonship scrambling around playing whack-a-mole" cheapo posts I will place on the backburner for now
@divegeester saidIt appears that cult-of-personality based on Witness Lee has got sonship convinced that he will be deified into a God-man after he dies.
Lee reads like a cultist and your Locsl church looks like a Lee cult to me, where this man is elevated to a status which he neither deserves and which cultivates and spirit of man worship.
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@sonship saidThis one:
Ghost,
I'd like to hear it from you then. You have a energetic cheerleader there in FMF.
But in what way did you demonstrate Witness Lee's wisdom on the teaching of nature of God and His triune nature was not wise ?
Which post was it ?
The Triune God
The statement of faith on the Living Stream Ministries website says “God is eternally one and also eternally the Father, the Son, and the Spirit, the three being distinct but not separate.” Sounds fine, but note what Beisner says in this 2003 article:
Look closely. Notice that it doesn’t say what the three are as “distinct”? What are the Father, the Son, and the Spirit? Cabbages? Angels? Compact discs? Extensive reading in Witness Lee’s writings discovers considerable hesitation to affirm what Christianity has affirmed through the ages: that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit, though they are one God, are distinct Persons.
For example, Lee says:
The Father, the Son, and the Spirit are not three separate persons or three Gods; they are one God, one reality, one person… God is triune; that is, He is three-one. In some theological writings, the preposition in is added between three and one to make three-in-one. However, it is more accurate to say that God is three-one.
Witness Lee, The Triune God to Be Life to the Tripartite Man
(Anaheim: Living Stream Ministry, 1970), p. 48
Lee clarified what he meant by triune. He meant three-one, not three-in-one. And, to make sure people did not misunderstand him, he said he was teaching something different than the “traditional” understanding of the Trinity.
12 Apr 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidAnd Lee did, of course, dismiss and condemn Protestantism and Catholicism ~ and presumably those bits of their theology that Lee has taken it upon himself to embellish, add to, twist, and corrupt, too ~ as "Satan's" organizations.
Lee clarified what he meant by triune. He meant three-one, not three-in-one. And, to make sure people did not misunderstand him, he said he was teaching something different than the “traditional” understanding of the Trinity.
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@fmf saidThe idea that a temporal corporate organisation can be the “true” church is instantly recognisable as cultish. I am convinced that The Local Churches organisation is spitually elitist and cultish in nature.
And Lee did, of course, dismiss and condemn Protestantism and Catholicism ~ and presumably those bits of their theology that Lee has taken it upon himself to embellish, add to, twist, and corrupt, too ~ as "Satan's" organizations.
12 Apr 19
@divegeester saidsonship recently said something along the lines that non-Local Church Christians ought to quickly go out and buy a certain Witness Lee book when the 'end times' come and read it if they want to be "saved". This is not verbatim and I'm not going to go and find the exact quote.
The idea that a temporal corporate organisation can be the “true” church is instantly recognisable as cultish. I am convinced that The Local Churches organisation is spitually elitist and cultish in nature.
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12 Apr 19
@fmf saidThough sonship will of course ask you to do so.
sonship recently said something along the lines that non-Local Church Christians ought to quickly go out and buy a certain Witness Lee book when the 'end times' come and read it if they want to be "saved". This is not verbatim and I'm not going to go and find the exact quote.
12 Apr 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI had an exchange with him over it so if he pretends he can't remember I'll just put it down to sonship being sonship.
Though sonship will of course ask you to do so.
12 Apr 19
@divegeester saidThis exchange about "degraded" Christians (i.e. Christians who are not members of the Local Churches cult) having to read some Witness Lee book was this year, only a month or so ago.
Or @Jaywill
12 Apr 19
@sonship saidWhat you said about non-Local Church Christians having to quickly buy and read a certain Witness Lee book when the 'end times' come - with their "salvation" being at stake - was you gossiping? I took it at face value. It was just gossip?
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Gossip, gossip.