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@sonship saidHow is making a correction to my previous terminology (in light of your reply) in any way evasive?
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Correction.
Pinnacle of his absurdity.
Evasion of the question. Noted.
I concede that I have not read all (any) of his books to say the specified quote was the pinnacle of his 'work,' but I am certainly in a position to say, that from what I have read, it is the pinnacle of his absurdity.
I stand by that.
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I concede that I have not read all (any) of his books to say the specified quote was the pinnacle of his 'work,' but I am certainly in a position to say, that from what I have read, it is the pinnacle of his absurdity.
It is absurd for you to accuse Lee of condemned all Christian brothers and sisters to Satan.
Did A. W. Tozer also condemned all his Christian brothers and sisters to Satan because he preached that Christ nearly had no authority in the modern day churches ?
You quoted him.
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@sonship said'Roman Catholicism and Protestantism, as well as Judaism, all [have] become an organization of Satan.'
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I concede that I have not read all (any) of his books to say the specified quote was the pinnacle of his 'work,' but I am certainly in a position to say, that from what I have read, it is the pinnacle of his absurdity.
It is absurd for you to accuse Lee of condemned all Christian brothers and sisters to Satan.
Did [b]A. W. Tozer[/b ...[text shortened]... use he preached that Christ nearly had no authority in the modern day churches ?
You quoted him.
It is not absurd for me to say Lee has condemned these Christians to Satan. It is self evident.
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'Roman Catholicism and Protestantism, as well as Judaism, all [have] become an organization of Satan.'
It is not absurd for me to say Lee has condemned these Christians to Satan. It is self evident.
Please define what your idea of "condemned to Satan" means.
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@sonship saidPerhaps you should explain why a Christian in an organization of Satan is not condemned to Satan and the fires of hell? (In accordance with the book of Revelation).
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'Roman Catholicism and Protestantism, as well as Judaism, all [have] become an organization of Satan.'
It is not absurd for me to say Lee has condemned these Christians to Satan. It is self evident.
Please define what your idea of "condemned to Satan" means.
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@sonship saidSure, why not.
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Perhaps you should explain why a Christian in an organization of Satan is not condemned to Satan and the fires of hell? (In accordance with the book of Revelation).
Shall I assume then that to you "condemned to Satan" means sentenced to eternal damnation ?
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Sure, why not.
This would explain that you misunderstand Witness Lee to be sentencing his Christian brothers and sisters to eternal punishment. Your outrage is therefore based on a misunderstanding.
My only question is whether you will continue to cling to your misunderstanding, because it is just too good that way, or at least revise this part of your understanding of those statements.
Which will you do?
1.) Continue to believe Lee was condemning Christian brothers and sisters to hell?
2.) Not condemning them to hell?
Make a discussion.
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@sonship saidIf you want a viable discussion, make your argument. Why is it a misunderstanding of Lee?
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Sure, why not.
This would explain that you misunderstand Witness Lee to be sentencing his Christian brothers and sisters to eternal punishment. Your outrage is therefore based on a misunderstanding.
My only question is whether you will continue to cling to your misunderstanding, because it is just too good that way, or at least r ...[text shortened]... Christian brothers and sisters to hell?
2.) Not condemning them to hell?
Make a discussion.
Revelation makes clear that followers of Satan are condemned to hell. Yes or no?
How are people in an organization of Satan not followers of Satan?
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If you want a viable discussion, make your argument.
No one said I wasn't.
Why is it a misunderstanding of Lee?
So you want to cling or argue that Witness Lee condemns Christian brothers and sisters to hell because they may be entangled in a system too over influenced by the enemy of God.
You explain why this is so. I think the burden is on you.
Revelation makes clear that followers of Satan are condemned to hell. Yes or no?
How are people in an organization of Satan not followers of Satan?
No, as to are they automatically CONDEMNED to perdition!
Those deceived by Satan are not automatically condemned WITH Satan.
Those influenced by Satan at some time need not forever be so.
Those influenced by Satan are not hopelessly permanently linked to him.
The Apostle Paul complained to Timothy that some younger widows in the church had gone after Satan. Yet Paul is not saying they will be condemned forever WITH Satan.
"I will therefore that younger widows marry, bear children, keep house, give no opportunity to the opposer for reproach.
For already some have turned aside after Satan." (1 Timothy 5:14,15)
These are Christian sisters for whom the question of eternal redemption has already been solved in the affirmative.
Caught in a system influenced by Satan is therefore not condemning automatically all those caught there.
My question remains. Will you continue to cling to your misunderstanding or revise your interpretation?
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Come on Ghost. I am not forcing agreement between you and everything Witness Lee ministered. I just seek some modest progress in correcting your misunderstanding of an important point.
Those caught in a system led astray by Satan are not always automatically "condemned to Satan" Ie. in your interpretation condemned WITH him to eternal perdition.
Are you willing to make a little progress in a more accurate interpretation of Lee's words?
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@sonship saidWhy do you so often resort to calling people "trolls" when they believe different things from you?
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[quote] You seem to have called every single non-believer - and every single follower of Christ who disagrees with you - a "troll" at some point or other. If you only want to talk to Christians and you only want to talk to those who never disagree with you, aren't there other webistes or online communities where you could get that? Have you thought of starting a blog? ...[text shortened]... one who disagrees with you will never eventually respond with a similarly blogged counter argument.
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@sonship saidIf you ran a blog, you could delete the posts of people who disagree with you or who put your nose out of joint, rather than calling them "trolls", something you never seem to do to anyone who agrees with the stuff you post.
Blogging doesn't guarantee no one who disagrees with you will never eventually respond with a similarly blogged counter argument.
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I think you may have missed my reply to a "troll" question from you written above.
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It starts with this sentence -
Time to humor you for the sake of some others who might be helped.