TO ALL OF REDHOTPAWN

Originally posted by powershaker
How do you complete nonsense? It is the truth. You either believe in God or you believe that "something" came out of "nothing."

Your willingness to continously twist science to suit your ideals is astounding!

I'll tell you what, you keep spending your life telling them how Jesus loves them, and living your life, hindered by the fact you cannot do certain things because they go against your religion. I'll continue trying to make the most of my life, and enjoying it however I can, making sure I help people when the chance arrises, and generally having a good time (hey, as I'm a non-believer, I'm already condemned!)

Just be glad that when you die, you probably won't have a consciousness to realise you were wrong.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
To "fear" God is not what we know as "afraid". The fear of God means awe, reverance. This is old King James english.

Yes. Thank you. Recced.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Gave you a rec for whatever that's worth. Very interesting facts. However I disagree on God sending a strong delusion. I don't think this has happened yet. A better reason for unbelievers not to believe is stated by Jesus....
John 3:18-19
18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not b ...[text shortened]... believe they would have to be held accountable for their sins and they don't want that.
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EXACTLY! I totally agree! Amen to that!

Originally posted by welsharnie
Your willingness to continously twist science to suit your ideals is astounding!

I'll tell you what, you keep spending your life telling them how Jesus loves them, and living your life, hindered by the fact you cannot do certain things because they go against your religion. I'll continue trying to make the most of my life, and enjoying it however I can ...[text shortened]... glad that when you die, you probably won't have a consciousness to realise you were wrong.

Well, bless your heart. Anyway, I am not twisting science. "Something" can't come from "nothing." I think you need to study a bit about the "quantum vaccuum." Then, you'll understand where I'm coming from in relation to physics and pure science. Until you study as deeply as I have, I wouldn't say that good living without faith and a heart opening to Jesus Christ, is going to get you into Heaven. A lot of good men of the world are headed for hell, because they have not accepted the love of God who sent His Son Jesus Christ into the world for their sins and died on Calvary giving hope to a countless many.

Originally posted by Rolfey
"Luke 12:5 (Whole Chapter)
But I'll tell you whom to fear. Fear God, who has the power to kill people and then throw them into hell."

I'll also tell my future kids to worship the school bully too then. at least he can be proved real.

But, that's just it. There's more proof for God than there is that he doesn't exist. You need to study. "Something" cannot come from "nothing." If we see a car driving down the road, we know someone created it. Likewise, when we see a "cilia" (a microorganism) turn 10,000 RPMS in one direction, stop on the spot, turn around in the other direction, and turn 10,000 RPMs the other way, are you saying no one created this engine? Get real! Next thing you'll be saying aliens did it. But, that's just impossible when we've discovered that other galaxies and solar systems are elliptical or chaotic, and not able to support life. You need to read "Case for a Creator" by Lee Strobel.

Originally posted by powershaker
But, that's just it. There's more proof for God than there is that he doesn't exist. You need to study. "Something" cannot come from "nothing." If we see a car driving down the road, we know someone created it. Likewise, when we see a "cilia" (a microorganism) turn 10,000 RPMS in one direction, stop on the spot, turn around in the other direction, a ...[text shortened]... d not able to support life. You need to read "Case for a Creator" by Lee Strobel.

Irreducible Complexity? That's what you are using for proof of God? Next thing you'll be using the existance of universal Ether.

Originally posted by powershaker
But, that's just it. There's more proof for God than there is that he doesn't exist. You need to study. "Something" cannot come from "nothing." If we see a car driving down the road, we know someone created it. Likewise, when we see a "cilia" (a microorganism) turn 10,000 RPMS in one direction, stop on the spot, turn around in the other direction, a ...[text shortened]... d not able to support life. You need to read "Case for a Creator" by Lee Strobel.

no, there is currently no proof whatsoever for the proof of god. were you to have proof it would no longer be faith, it would be fact.

to use the fact that someone made a car as part of your proof is a weak argument - it is proven fact that someone made the car. a cilia is not a man made engine. just because science currently cannot provide an accurate answer doesn't mean god exists, this view just takes you back to cave man level where god is a stop gap until science as we understand it successfully works it out.

whilst i do believe in alien life (as there is proof of that from bacteria found on Mars already - fact not faith) i do not believe they created the universe any more than i believe in mythical god.

if your reply is condescending like a previous selection to me and others i'm pretty certain my response will be barred. again. please do not tell me how you pity me, or how god loves me, or how i am ignorant just because i have chosen logic over blind faith.

Originally posted by powershaker
You're telling me that Peter, Paul and hundreds, thousands, of people would risk their lives for a lie???

Sure. David Koresh and his followers come to mind. The mass suicides of those who thought they were going to ride the Hale-Bopp comet also comes to mind. These people wanted to believe so badly that they followed cults to their death.

Peter and Paul could have knowingly propagated a lie. They were influential speakers, and the heads of a growing new faith. People propogate lies all the time to gain power and influence over others. The fact that some of them were killed is more indicative of the dangers of power, rather than the veracity of their beliefs.

Originally posted by Rolfey
no, there is currently no proof whatsoever for the proof of god. were you to have proof it would no longer be faith, it would be fact.

to use the fact that someone made a car as part of your proof is a weak argument - it is proven fact that someone made the car. a cilia is not a man made engine. just because science currently cannot provide an accurate ...[text shortened]... , or how god loves me, or how i am ignorant just because i have chosen logic over blind faith.

Not true. In the intellectual sense, those who doubt God are doubting 1+1 = 2. Science has already shown that there is more proof for intelligent design than there is for "something" come from "nothing." The only reason the world still fights against 1+1 = 2 is that they do not want GOD. They do not want to admit their sins and repent. THey love their sinful life, and they will do anything from opening their hearts to the Lord Jesus Christ. They are blinded. Satan will continue to peddle evolution in our classrooms even though men have lied about the fossils they have found, and Lucy was a complete hoax. The embryos you see developing from fish into human are not factual. They are lies. Read Lee Strobel's "Case for a Creator."

Originally posted by powershaker
Not true. In the intellectual sense, those who doubt God are doubting 1+1 = 2. Science has already shown that there is more proof for intelligent design than there is for "something" come from "nothing." The only reason the world still fights against 1+1 = 2 is that they do not want GOD. They do not want to admit their sins and repent. THey love the ...[text shortened]... ish into human are not factual. They are lies. Read Lee Strobel's "Case for a Creator."

Man created the numerical system, and part of the basis of it was 1+1=2, to try and claim that 1+1= something other than 2, is folly.

Originally posted by powershaker
Not true. In the intellectual sense, those who doubt God are doubting 1+1 = 2. Science has already shown that there is more proof for intelligent design than there is for "something" come from "nothing." The only reason the world still fights against 1+1 = 2 is that they do not want GOD. They do not want to admit their sins and repent. THey love the ...[text shortened]... ish into human are not factual. They are lies. Read Lee Strobel's "Case for a Creator."

There is no proof for intelligent design. None whatsoever.

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
There is no proof for intelligent design. None whatsoever.

Some intelligence is required to understand the proof. Sadly there is nothing I can do for you.😞

Originally posted by powershaker
Not true. In the intellectual sense, those who doubt God are doubting 1+1 = 2. Science has already shown that there is more proof for intelligent design than there is for "something" come from "nothing." The only reason the world still fights against 1+1 = 2 is that they do not want GOD. They do not want to admit their sins and repent. THey love the ...[text shortened]... ish into human are not factual. They are lies. Read Lee Strobel's "Case for a Creator."

"Not true. In the intellectual sense, those who doubt God are doubting 1+1 = 2."

nice leap of unrealistic reasoning. i doubt god but being a logical person i do not doubt that 1+1 = 2. therefore your statement is wrong.

"Science has already shown that there is more proof for intelligent design than there is for "something" come from "nothing.""

wrong. science may be happy to investigate the theory of intelligent design but there is no proof of this being correct.

"The only reason the world still fights against 1+1 = 2 is that they do not want GOD."

who do you know really that fights against 1+1 = 2?!!! seriously, if you remain in contact with these people i can see why you struggle with logic.

"They do not want to admit their sins and repent. THey love their sinful life, and they will do anything from opening their hearts to the Lord Jesus Christ. They are blinded."

I told you about preaching to me, try to leave the irrelevent rant out of this conversation if you can.

"Satan will continue to peddle evolution in our classrooms even though men have lied about the fossils they have found, and Lucy was a complete hoax. The embryos you see developing from fish into human are not factual. They are lies."

as i do not believe in god it is safe for you to assume that this includes the whole mythical biblical bundle (the earth is the centre of the universe! pah!!). therefore i say that no, satan has nothing to do with teaching evolution. the only reason you do not want it taught is because it contradicts with you precious fantasy story (bible). you'll have to point out what you refer to regarding the fish embryos as i do not know about this specifically. you constantly refer me to a book promoting creation/creator. have you actually read anything for the atheists argument or did you just go with the first thing you read?

Originally posted by powershaker
You need to read "Case for a Creator" by Lee Strobel.[/b]

Change that to the "Bible"....NOTHING will cause unbelievers to be converted except the Gospel. It's foolishness to those that are lost. I am staking my soul on Jesus' work on the cross.

Originally posted by masscat
Change that to the "Bible"....NOTHING will cause unbelievers to be converted except the Gospel. It's foolishness to those that are lost. I am staking my soul on Jesus' work on the cross.

the same bible that claims the earth is the centre of the universe?