30 Sep 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHow does this fit with what you say then -
no they are not, for it depends on your heart condition not some appellation, and as i cannot read your heart and what motivates it, i cannot possibly say.
"Do not conclude that there are different roads, or ways, that you can follow to gain life in God's new system. There is only one. There was just the one ark that survived the Flood, not a number of boats. And there will be only one organization — God's visible organization — that will survive the fast-approaching 'great tribulation.' It is simply not true that all religions lead to the same goal. You must be part of Jehovah's organization, doing God's will, in order to receive his blessing of everlasting life."
Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1989, pg 255
30 Sep 10
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Originally posted by Proper Knobhas the door of the figurative ark closed, nope, then your point is moot, for God has not finished with us yet, everyone has potential, everyone! i refuse to right anyone off, even atheists and haters.
How does this fit with what you say then -
"Do not conclude that there are different roads, or ways, that you can follow to gain life in God's new system. There is only one. There was just the one ark that survived the Flood, not a number of boats. And there will be only one organization — God's visible organization — that will survive the fast-ap is blessing of everlasting life."
Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1989, pg 255
30 Sep 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieEveryone has potential but -
has the door of the figurative ark closed, nope, then your point is moot, for God has not finished with us yet, everyone has potential, everyone!
You must be part of Jehovah's organization, doing God's will, in order to receive his blessing of everlasting life."
As it stands, me as an atheist, i am not part of Jehovah's organisation. There is only one way to 'gain life in God's new system', and i am not part of it. Therefore i don't get in do i? This is your organisations words not mine.
30 Sep 10
Originally posted by Proper Knobyes of course, but you are missing the point, in fact you yourself have stated it, 'as it stands', being the operative word, who is to say that you will not have a change of heart? can i state it? no then what you talking about? and until the door of the figurative ark is closed, nobody can right anyone off.
Everyone has potential but -
You must be part of Jehovah's organization, doing God's will, in order to receive his blessing of everlasting life."
As it stands, me as an atheist, i am not part of Jehovah's organisation. There is only one way to 'gain life in God's new system', and i am not part of it. Therefore i don't get in do i? This is your organisations words not mine.
30 Sep 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThis is laughable Rob, as an atheist i will not pass the test, it's as simple as that. Your own organisation clearly states in writing that only the JW's are to 'gain life in Gods new system', the rest of us are done for. We will be wiped off the face of the earth. We can all read the text and work it our for ourselves. You just haven't got the guts to come out and admit it, i actually find this embarrassing for you.
yes of course, but you are missing the point, in fact you yourself have stated it, 'as it stands', being the operative word, who is to say that you will not have a change of heart? can i state it? no then what you talking about? and until the door of the figurative ark is closed, nobody can right anyone off.
You got all uptight because i suggested your ideology should be erased, and yet you believe when the time comes anyone who isn't a JW will be erased. I'm talking about peoples beliefs, you're talking about living human beings. It's massively hypocritical of you.
30 Sep 10
Originally posted by Proper KnobThe Bible uses as an illustration the struggle it will take to get thru the narrow gate that leads to life for a reason. It first shows it would be hard both physically and spiritually to accomplish that and secondly only a few would make it thru.
This is laughable Rob, as an atheist i will not pass the test, it's as simple as that. Your own organisation clearly states in writing that only the JW's are to 'gain life in Gods new system', the rest of us are done for. We will be wiped off the face of the earth. We can all read the text and work it our for ourselves. You just haven't got the guts to c ...[text shortened]... beliefs, you're talking about living human beings. It's massively hypocritical of you.
And it is our honest opinion that the Bible is clear on what the many issues are that a person has to do and not do in order to get to this figurative gate and get thru it.
Just one example that Jesus clearly stated is that his followers would be no part of this world as neither is his Kingdom. So that's one reason we do not fight in the worlds wars.
There are of course many issues the Bible states that a Christian could not do and many commands of things we are to do.
So there is no pride or bragging that we are special or the condemning of any individuals on this planet if we feel they are not doing what it takes to gain life. That's the purpose of the teaching work we work at so hard doing earthwide which is to show from their own bible what God ask of us to do and not do. God says he wants no one to die.
So yes we feel we are doing what God requires of us and we feel other religions are falling short of that assignment and we feel unless you or anyone else does not join in and do the life saving teaching work Jesus said to do, then you may not make it thru that gate.
30 Sep 10
Originally posted by galveston75So only JW's will make it through?
The Bible uses as an illustration the struggle it will take to get thru the narrow gate that leads to life for a reason. It first shows it would be hard both physically and spiritually to accomplish that and secondly only a few would make it thru.
And it is our honest opinion that the Bible is clear on what the many issues are that a person has to do a ...[text shortened]... nd do the life saving teaching work Jesus said to do, then you may not make it thru that gate.
