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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
and of course dear Noobster you are aware of all the principles involved are you not? please elaborate, i wait with interest and secondly the Nazis already tried to wipe us off the face of the earth, but as you can see, we are alive and well, indeed rather ironically, we were able to hold a convention in Nuremberg, in the very stadium where they issued the decree.
Firstly, when i write 'wiped from the pages of history', i'm not suggesting the systematic killing of the JW population, merely the eradication of your ideology. I don't support the death penalty for any criminal, i'm hardly going to justify it for a 'lunatic fringe movement'.

My distaste for this 'shunning' that you deem so righteous, is because i have seen the effects and scars this practise brings to a family firsthand, and it's very sad indeed. My girlfriends dad was shunned by his family simply because he left another 'lunatic fringe movemnt' many years ago. The L Ron Hubbard variety. 30+ years later the scars are still visible and the wounds never properly healed. It's a sad shame.

That you deem this practise 'righteous' only further shows the delusion you created for yourself. Add to this your anti-evolution stance (which lets face it, is based on ignorance, although deep down i believe there is a part of you that know's it's true, you just don't wish to admit it yet. But your time will come), your rejection of anything that contradicts your fairytale stories about Adam & Eve and the Flood. Your hypocritical stance on homosexuals, which i deem to be homophobic, and your frankly bizarre views on blood transfusions which revealed themselves over the last week or so. There is no place for them in todays world. We want to move in to the furture, not backwards in time.

All these views expressed by you are a product of your organisation, the sooner the organisation disbands the better.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
not only is it mathematically probable, we claim it, you noobs must scrimp and scrape around soup kitchens, bribing people in to the church with hot meals and dreams of warm blankets! or open super churches, win a playstation 3, Jesus loves you! ask Deucer, his church plays bingo on Monday, darts lessons on Tuesday, has a jumble sale on Wednesday, h ...[text shortened]... these things in to practice for half an hour then its off to crusty burgers for wings and coke!
none of the above. Super churches are the exception not the rule. 80% of all churches in America have attendance below 100 weekly (including children). Small churches are the norm, and they can't afford to give away video games, because there are far more important things to spend money on like...yes.. soup kitchens; but if you bothered to accept all of Christ's teachings instead of cherry picking you would understand how important these vital minstries are. We don't do these things to bribe people into church. If they come great if they don't we continue to feed and cloth them AS CHRIST COMMANDED! We love them as Christ loves us, unconditionally, unlike the JW's who would so quickly dismiss them and shun them. The meek shall inherit the Earth, not the ones puffed up with pride over what they feel is the true work of the church.

You know less than nothing about my or other churches in America. We evangelize, we hold bible study, we worship, we laugh, play and sing. We enrich our lives with both education (frowned upon by your denomination) and enrich the lives of others by the fruits of that education. Your sanctimonious smugness about how superior you think the work of your church is called pride, and Pride goeth before destruction, And a haughty spirit before a fall (Proverbs 16:18)

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Originally posted by Proper Knob
Firstly, when i write 'wiped from the pages of history', i'm not suggesting the systematic killing of the JW population, merely the eradication of your ideology. I don't support the death penalty for any criminal, i'm hardly going to justify it for a 'lunatic fringe movement'.

My distaste for this 'shunning' that you deem so righteous, is because i ha ...[text shortened]... product of your organisation, the sooner the organisation disbands the better.
well that's encouraging, thanks for that, i feel really up beat after reading it. what is there to debate? you have your views based on your experience, i have mine. I do not accept your conditions nor your morality, you do not accept mine. Have i stated that your ideology should be 'wiped from the face of the earth', being a product of your materialist and secular out look, yet you reply in kind with acidic vitriol, so be it, if you want to be another hater, then be my guest, i have better things to do than listen to your hatred.

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Originally posted by duecer
none of the above. Super churches are the exception not the rule. 80% of all churches in America have attandnace below 100 weekly (including children). Small churches are the norm, and they can't afford to give away video games, because there are far more important things to spend money on like...yes.. soup kitchens; but if you bothered to accept all of Chris ...[text shortened]... de, and Pride goeth before destruction, And a haughty spirit before a fall (Proverbs 16:18)
yup, another hater, have a pleasant day.

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Originally posted by duecer
none of the above. Super churches are the exception not the rule. 80% of all churches in America have attandnace below 100 weekly (including children). Small churches are the norm, and they can't afford to give away video games, because there are far more important things to spend money on like...yes.. soup kitchens; but if you bothered to accept all of Chris ...[text shortened]... de, and Pride goeth before destruction, And a haughty spirit before a fall (Proverbs 16:18)
Am l correct in thinking that Pride was considered very badly in the context of the 7 deadly sins (from an evangelical point of view)?

As l seem to remember my (Baptist) Preacher Grandfather mentioning this many many many years ago.

It would be a shame if Robbie and G75's continual self praise is leading them down the wrong path.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yup, another hater, have a pleasant day.
I don't hate, I am merely pointing out the incorrectness of both your attitude and theological stance.

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Originally posted by nook7
Am l correct in thinking that Pride was considered very badly in the context of the 7 deadly sins (from an evangelical point of view)?

As l seem to remember my (Baptist) Preacher Grandfather mentioning this many many many years ago.

It would be a shame if Robbie and G75's continual self praise is leading them down the wrong path.
Pride is like saying I have no need for God, and I do not acknowledge the gifts God has given me; I can do it by the strength of my own arms.


Very dangerous territory for any Christian

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Originally posted by nook7
Am l correct in thinking that Pride was considered very badly in the context of the 7 deadly sins (from an evangelical point of view)?

As l seem to remember my (Baptist) Preacher Grandfather mentioning this many many many years ago.

It would be a shame if Robbie and G75's continual self praise is leading them down the wrong path.
the verse perhaps comes from this passage,

(Proverbs 6:16-19) . . .There are six things that Jehovah does hate; yes, seven are things detestable to his soul:  lofty eyes, a false tongue, and hands that are shedding innocent blood, a heart fabricating hurtful schemes, feet that are in a hurry to run to badness,  a false witness that launches forth lies, and anyone sending forth contentions among brothers.

lofty eyes or being prideful is perhaps the phrase you are thinking about, you should of course know better than ask a 'true Christian', for a scriptural reference, they do a lot of gardening in the dark.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
well that's encouraging, thanks for that, i feel really up beat after reading it. what is there to debate? you have your views based on your experience, i have mine. I do not accept your conditions nor your morality, you do not accept mine. Have i stated that your ideology should be 'wiped from the face of the earth', being a product of your mate ...[text shortened]... to be another hater, then be my guest, i have better things to do than listen to your hatred.
Stop being so melodramtic will you for goodness sake. Hatred? You appear to be of the ilk that like to dish it out but can't take it back.

No you haven't stated that my ideology should be wiped from the face of the earth, but you do belong to an organisation that believes at some point, not too far in the distant future, the Messiah will return and non-believers like me will not be around anymore. We will be wiped from the face of the earth will we not?

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Originally posted by duecer
Pride is like saying I have no need for God, and I do not acknowledge the gifts God has given me; I can do it by the strength of my own arms.


Very dangerous territory for any Christian
Interesting.

l see many posts from Robbie where he praises himself as a member of the JW's.

Often it is in jest to posts directed "at" him, however this behaviour appears conceited and therefore against the behaviour that a "true" christian should show.

i have many relatives (who spiritually l dont agree with) however their behaviour is without reproach - shame the same cant be said for many on this forum - not meaning yourself Deucer.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
the verse perhaps comes from this passage,

(Proverbs 6:16-19) . . .There are six things that Jehovah does hate; yes, seven are things detestable to his soul:  lofty eyes, a false tongue, and hands that are shedding innocent blood, a heart fabricating hurtful schemes, feet that are in a hurry to run to badness,  a false witness that launches forth ...[text shortened]... an ask a 'true Christian', for a scriptural reference, they do a lot of gardening in the dark.
It does not ring familiar to me RC.

My memories - we are talking a long time here - are of my Grandfather - stopping us from self praise full stop - without quoting scipture (as seems to be your way) and saying " praise is for the Lord etc not for yourself.

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Originally posted by Proper Knob
Stop being so melodramtic will you for goodness sake. Hatred? You appear to be of the ilk that like to dish it out but can't take it back.

No you haven't stated that my ideology should be wiped from the face of the earth, but you do belong to an organisation that believes at some point, not too far in the distant future, the Messiah will return and non-believers like me will not be around anymore. We will be wiped from the face of the
actually we believe the messiah is already ruling from the heavenly kingdom, and as we have stated now squillions of times, we do not know who shall be saved and who shall not, for unlike the self assured 'true Christians', who are already saved, we do not guarantee anyone's salvation, including our own.

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Originally posted by nook7
It does not ring familiar to me RC.

My memories - we are talking a long time here - are of my Grandfather - stopping us from self praise full stop - without quoting scipture (as seems to be your way) and saying " praise is for the Lord etc not for yourself.
well i dunno? doesn't seem entirely healthy to tell you the truth, for every one needs to feel loved and appreciated and commendation is a way of doing just that, don't you think? and on the point of a true Christian and their behaviour, perfection is not a prerequisite nor an identifying mark, love is.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
actually we believe the messiah is already ruling from the heavenly kingdom, and as we have stated now squillions of times, we do not know who shall be saved and who shall not, for unlike the self assured 'true Christians', who are already saved, we do not guarantee anyone's salvation, including our own.
I know that.

But as an atheist, my chances are zero aren't they?

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
well i dunno? doesn't seem entirely healthy to tell you the truth, for every one needs to feel loved and appreciated and commendation is a way of doing just that, don't you think?
l do agree with you.

Where does self praise pass into what the bible says is pride?

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