Originally posted by robbie carrobieJacob strove (contended) with God, and was named Israel; and a nation was named after him
no it is not, i do not want to see anyone eradicated, the matter fills me with revulsion, but i realise that i am not a god and therefore if it states it in the ancient text that it will happen, who am i to contend with God.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBut you still made the choice to believe it, and that is a decision made by you.
no it is not, i do not want to see anyone eradicated, the matter fills me with revulsion, but i realise that i am not a god and therefore if it states it in the ancient text that it will happen, who am i to contend with God.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobJW's why didn't you just quote this and be done with it?
Personally i can't see how they can get past their own literature on this issue -
You must be part of Jehovah's organization, doing God's will, in order to receive his blessing of everlasting life.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobIf this were a court case it would be a slam dunk!! If we are not part of the JW organization then we will not be saved!! I love how they (JW's) can't get rid of or escape their written history (Documents). So it's a simple YES or No G-75 and RC do you agree or not with what the 1989 pg 255 of the WT reads? Also can anyone NOT be apart of the JW organization and be doing God's work? The exclusivity is what is most annoying about the JW's.
How does this fit with what you say then -
"Do not conclude that there are different roads, or ways, that you can follow to gain life in God's new system. There is only one. There was just the one ark that survived the Flood, not a number of boats. And there will be only one organization — God's visible organization — that will survive the fast-ap is blessing of everlasting life."
Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1989, pg 255
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Originally posted by Proper KnobWere not "Vast swathes of mankind eradicated" in ther flood? Oh yeah..you don't believe in that either.
Yes, and if i remain an atheist i won't be saved will i?
As for the second point, i don't care if you think you're doing God's work, i don't care if you're following scripture to the letter, it's irrelevant. I pulled out the scripture to point out to you that when the day comes only JW's will be saved, non-JW's won't be saved. Vast swathes of mankind will be eradicated.
Sources of doctrine
Doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses are established by the Governing Body, which assumes responsibility for interpreting and applying scripture.[26][91][92][93] Watch Tower Society publications claim that doctrinal changes and refinements result from a process of progressive revelation, in which God gradually reveals his will and purpose.[94][95][96][97][98] Watch Tower Society literature has suggested such enlightenment results from the application of reason and study,[99] the guidance of the holy spirit, and direction from Jesus Christ and angels.[100] However, the Governing Body makes no claim of infallibility or divine inspiration.[101][102][103]
The entire Protestant canon of scripture is considered the inspired, inerrant word of God.[104] Jehovah's Witnesses consider the Bible to be scientifically and historically accurate and reliable[105] and interpret much of it literally, but accept parts of it as symbolic.[106] They consider the Bible to be the final authority for all their beliefs.[107] Professor Jason BeDuhn wrote that Jehovah's Witnesses approach the Bible "with a kind of innocence, and [build] their system of beliefs and practice from the raw material of the Bible without predetermining what was to be found there."[108] Sociologist Andrew Holden's ethnographic study of the religion concluded that pronouncements of the Governing Body, through Watch Tower Society publications, carry almost as much weight as the Bible,[109][110] although Jehovah's Witnesses publications disclaim inspiration by God,[111] saying only that some "anointed" Witnesses at the religion's headquarters are helped by the holy spirit to discern "deep truths".[112] The Watch Tower Society strongly discourages Witnesses from Bible study or research independent of its publications.[113][114][115][116]
So can you guys study independently of your Mags ? Try it some time. That's why you guys sound like robots!! You guys use the same literature to color your view of the bible. Dare you to think on your own accord.
Manny
Originally posted by menace71not only do i agree with it, i challenge any Christian to prove otherwise, if we are not doing Gods will then we shall not be saved, if we are, then the statement is sound, we are the ones that will be saved. I figure that you shall evade the matter, the same as Noobster, for i doubt you even know what Gods will is and in like manner, have based your objection on something you don't understand.
If this were a court case it would be a slam dunk!! If we are not part of the JW organization then we will not be saved!! I love how they (JW's) can't get rid of or escape their written history (Documents). So it's a simple YES or No G-75 and RC do you agree or not with what the 1989 pg 255 of the WT reads? Also can anyone NOT be apart of the JW organizatio ...[text shortened]... k? The exclusivity is what is most annoying about the JW's.
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Originally posted by menace71Completely...... But you can't get it thru your heads that God will decide. But yes it is our opinion from Bible guidelines that the JW's are the ONLY ones doing his will at this time. Prove that we're not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If this were a court case it would be a slam dunk!! If we are not part of the JW organization then we will not be saved!! I love how they (JW's) can't get rid of or escape their written history (Documents). So it's a simple YES or No G-75 and RC do you agree or not with what the 1989 pg 255 of the WT reads? Also can anyone NOT be apart of the JW organizatio ...[text shortened]... k? The exclusivity is what is most annoying about the JW's.
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But there are miriads of circumstances of individuals on this planet that God will decide on in a one on one basis.
Another example that you guys will probably not get even though it is so simple a child could get it.
Let's say there is a man that lives up in the Himalayas that has a good heart and has lived his live the absolute best he can, but has never heard of a Bible much less ever seen one. So he know's nothing of Jehovah or Jesus or the Catholics, JW's. Etc.
So he has never had the oprtunity to decide on anything about God as we know him.
Are you gettting the point yet? Why would God not allow him life if he has a good heart and under circumstances that we have here in our Christian world, would love and obey God?
Is that to hard to get?
God will decide, not you and not me.
Originally posted by menace71usual lies, we in fact site many reference works, other Biblical translations and scholars in our publications, but you noobs dont know that cause you never read them for yourselves, you are simply content to regurgitate second hand opinions and what others have written about us, ironic when you think about your last statement, that is to think for yourself, isn't it.
Sources of doctrine
Doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses are established by the Governing Body, which assumes responsibility for interpreting and applying scripture.[26][91][92][93] Watch Tower Society publications claim that doctrinal changes and refinements result from a process of progressive revelation, in which God gradually reveals his will and purpose.[ ...[text shortened]... re to color your view of the bible. Dare you to think on your own accord.
Manny
Originally posted by robbie carrobieMy objection is that your organization is the only group on this planet doing God's will.
not only do i agree with it, i challenge any Christian to prove otherwise, if we are not doing Gods will then we shall not be saved, if we are, then the statement is sound, we are the ones that will be saved. I figure that you shall evade the matter, the same as Noobster, for i doubt you even know what Gods will is and in like manner, have based your objection on something you don't understand.
There is nothing to evade. So I will be eradicated also because I will never be a JW and be apart of said organization.
Manny