What if God was you

@rajk999 said
I know Christians are fond of claiming Jesus was fully man and fully God. However I cannot remember seeing anywhere Jesus made that claim. If you know of such passages I would like to see them.

As a child Jesus was no normal human child. At age 12 Jesus was preaching to leaders in the synagogue and they were astounded. There are claims that Jesus was doing miracles in that time as well.

You have said in a previous post that Jesus wasn't God. If he also wasn't fully man, what was he?

I take passages such as Jesus crying out to the father on the cross or saying that only God is good as an indication of his own humanity.

Can you reference the (biblical) claims that Jesus carried out miracles as a child? - If the claims you are thinking of come from the Gospel of Thomas, then that is opening a whole new can of worms.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
You have said in a previous post that Jesus wasn't God. If he also wasn't fully man, what was he?

I take passages such as Jesus crying out to the father on the cross or saying that only God is good as an indication of his own humanity.

Can you reference the (biblical) claims that Jesus carried out miracles as a child? - If the claims you are thinking of come from the Gospel of Thomas, then that is opening a whole new can of worms.

Jesus was somewhere in between. You don't have to be 100% God or 100% man. Eg angels, cherubim, seraphim, and other heavenly beings are not 100% anything.

Yes a can of worms need to be opened to fully understand certain things. John pointed out that the bible does not have everything Jesus did. An eyewitness account of events does not have to be jnspired to contain truthful statements.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Jesus was fully man when he died and cried out on the cross, atoned for the sins of humanity.

God did not die on the cross or atone for humanity's sin.

How convoluted.

@rajk999 said
Paul addressed born-again, saved Christian Saints in Christ, warning them in almost every one of his letters that if they do not live righteously and do good works they will not inherit the Kingdom of God. This type of Christian is practicing dead faith.

These are saved, justified Christians, so whether its non-salvation or losing salvation is really a non issue.

I was interested in Medulla’s thoughts on this, which is why I was asking him. I already know what you believe.

@rajk999 said
I know Christians are fond of claiming Jesus was fully man and fully God. However I cannot remember seeing anywhere Jesus made that claim. If you know of such passages I would like to see them.

As a child Jesus was no normal human child. At age 12 Jesus was preaching to leaders in the synagogue and they were astounded. There are claims that Jesus was doing miracles in that time as well.

I don’t understand why it’s so complicated for some people. I can understand why it might be unbelievable, but not complicated.

Jesus was flesh and blood, which was grown in his mother’s womb. The body, the flesh and bone of Jesus, therefore came into existence through that process at that time, and didn’t exist beforehand. Can’t have.

The spirit within him was God the father in fullness, as is stated somewhere in Corinthians I think… “in him was the fullness of the godhead, in bodily form”.

So by simple deduction we have 1) human flesh and blood, and 2) God’s spirit.

This is what Jesus meant when he said to Philip “when you have seen me you have seen the Father”.

@divegeester said
So by simple deduction we have 1) human flesh and blood, and 2) God’s spirit.

Have there been billions of people down through human history who had "God's spirit" as well as "human flesh and blood"?

@divegeester said
The spirit within him was God the father in fullness, as is stated somewhere in Corinthians I think… “in him was the fullness of the godhead, in bodily form”.

Is this any more coherent than the concept of "the Trinity"?

@divegeester said
I presume you are replying to Ghost of a Duke’s last comment.

If so, can you please explain your reply here in relation to emulating Christ?

Ordinarily I can't think of a normal situation where I wouldn't help anyone. When I posted I did have the less daily occurances in the back of my mind.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Jesus was fully man when he died and cried out on the cross, atoned for the sins of humanity.

God did not die on the cross or atone for humanity's sin.

Absolutely correct, There is no point in the bible where Jesus claims to be God, but the son of God.

@divegeester said
As a Christian yourself, do you believe that this clearly defined principle of dead faith equates to either non salvation or losing salvation, if at all?

Pretty much.

We've had a number of posters over the years saying that all you have to do is believe. The devil believes, so clearly belief alone isn't the requirement.

If we take as an example the armed forces, which i have already touched on, you have a problem' We are asked to love our brother. How can you claim to love your brother then fly over to somebody's country and drop a 500lb bomb on their head?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Jesus was fully man when he died and cried out on the cross, atoned for the sins of humanity.

God did not die on the cross or atone for humanity's sin.

The law of moses laid preparation for this - soul will be for soul.

You will find referencs to Jesus as "the last Adam". Jesus didn't just miraculously die and they hey presto all was fixed, there was more to it. His death was set around a contractual setting. A perfect man (Adam) made a very bad decision and started the rot. A perfect man (Jesus) gave his life, so it was "like for like", soul for soul.

When you get into Jesus dying in the way that he did, when a contract had been fulfilled in the times of the Jews, I beleive it was nailed to a tree. If you therefore go to the "last supper", Jesus offered the disciples a "New Covenant. Jesus dies under the old covenant, the contract had been completed.

If you remember Jesus (and Paul) never condemned the law. What Jesus did was to simplify the law with two commandments. 1) Love God with all of your hear. 2) Love your brother. The death of Christ signified the end of the law covenant.

@fmf said
Have there been billions of people down through human history who had "God's spirit" as well as "human flesh and blood"?

I was going to add this point but decided not to; yes exactly.

@fmf said
How convoluted.

Yes.

@medullah said
The law of moses laid preparation for this - soul will be for soul.

You will find referencs to Jesus as "the last Adam". Jesus didn't just miraculously die and they hey presto all was fixed, there was more to it. His death was set around a contractual setting. A perfect man (Adam) made a very bad decision and started the rot. A perfect man (Jesus) gave his life, so it w ...[text shortened]... h all of your hear. 2) Love your brother. The death of Christ signified the end of the law covenant.

The pesky E word (evolution) has comprehensively squashed the notion that our species originated from an original couple in a distant garden. As we evolved as a species, there couldn't have been an original man, namely Adam.

With this in mind, how am I to understand the notion of Jesus being the last Adam, or Adam himself being the perfect man. How could there be a 'like for like' when Adam couldn't possibly have existed?