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Originally posted by @fmfAh, the ugly word DOGMA !
Neither of us knows the answers to the questions you asked me. That find yourself filling this gap in your knowledge with aspirations, conjecture and elaborate religious dogma does not create any moral issues for me.
Can "dogma" be true?
Can propaganda be at some time TRUE ?
28 May 18
Originally posted by @sonshipI have no reason to believe you have any credible information about a revealed God for me. It makes absolutely no difference to me if you call yourself a "Seer" or a "Revealer".
But the matter could be revealed to us, at which point we might choose TO or NOT TO believe that Seer, that informer, that revealer.
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Originally posted by @fmfCan dogma be true?
I have no reason to believe you have any credible information about a revealed God for me. It makes absolutely no difference to me if you call yourself a "Seer" or a "Revealer".
No, Never?
Yes, it could be?
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Originally posted by @fmfI have no reason to believe you are an objective inquirer about the matter.
I have no reason to believe you have any credible information about a revealed God for me. It makes absolutely no difference to me if you call yourself a "Seer" or a "Revealer".
I have no reason to believe in your objectivity.
I have reason to believe you are governed by your preference and your dislike or like of the results of knowing.
28 May 18
Originally posted by @sonshipJewish dogma regurgitated. Muslim dogma regurgitated. Christian dogma regurgitated. Hindu dogma regurgitated. Yes, dogma. Doctrine. Call it what you want. Cultural stuff, anthropological stuff, psychological stuff. Stuff memorized, internalized, regurgitated.
Ah, the ugly word DOGMA !
Can "dogma" be true?
Can propaganda be at some time TRUE ?
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Originally posted by @fmfAnd no one is asking me NOT to do so.
No one is asking you to do so.
Can dogma be true?
Or is ALL dogma by definition consist of false statements ?
28 May 18
Originally posted by @sonshipSo what? I don't claim to be objective about supernatural matters. You're not objective either. You are a reciter of rote-learned doctrine. I am not asking you to believe in your "objectivity". Stand down.; Rest easy.
I have no reason to believe in your objectivity.
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Originally posted by @fmfCan "rote learned" doctrines be of matters which are true ?
So what? I don't claim to be objective about supernatural matters. You're not objective either. You are a reciter of rote-learned doctrine. I am not asking you to believe in your "objectivity". Stand down.; Rest easy.
Are all "rote learned" doctrines, by definition, false ?
28 May 18
Originally posted by @sonshipI don't believe your ideology or dogma. I see ideology/dogma as being a way to stifle curiosity. I see it as a case of the capacity of our spiritual nature being squandered. That goes for my Muslim neighbour's dogma, same as it goes for yours.
And no one is asking me NOT to do so.
Can dogma be true?
Or is ALL dogma [b] by definition consist of false statements ?[/b]
28 May 18
Originally posted by @sonshipLike I say, I've been listening to people much more impressive and admirable than you reciting the same things as you do for nigh on 50 years. And I have been listening to you do it in your singularly repellant and counterproductive way for about ten years. I have no credible reason to believe your rote-learned and dutifully recited doctrines have anything true to tell me about a revealed God. Do you understand?
Can "rote learned" doctrines be of matters which are true ?
Are all "rote learned" doctrines, by definition, false ?
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Originally posted by @fmf
I don't believe your ideology or dogma. I see ideology/dogma as being a way to stifle curiosity. I see it as a case of the capacity of our spiritual nature being squandered. That goes for my Muslim neighbour's dogma, same as it goes for yours.
I don't believe your ideology or dogma.
But are all ideological and dogmatic statements by nature false ?
I see ideology/dogma as being a way to stifle curiosity.
You are stifling some of us as to our curiosity.
You are stifling straightforward answers.
Could a dogmatic statement also be true?
I see it as a case of the capacity of our spiritual nature being squandered. That goes for my Muslim neighbour's dogma, same as it goes for yours.
You're not arguing with your Muslim neighbour right now.
You're dodging, weaving and bobbing away from questions from me.
You and me.
Could a dogmatic ideological pronouncement be true?
28 May 18
Originally posted by @sonshipI have no reason to believe you have any credible information about a revealed God that you can provide me with. You can talk ad nauseam about ancient Hebrew mythology and the cult of personality carefully constructed around a self-styled Jewish "messiah" who got executed.
Can a dogmatic statement also be a true statement ?
You have given me no reason to find any of the dogma that has sprouted out of this folklore credible or to think that you have some knowledge about God.
For example, as you know, your dogma renders you completely morally incoherent to my way of thinking. From my point of view your dogma has rendered you ultimately unable to make any true statements about morality or justice, in view of the outlandish dogma you recite about so-called "perfect justice" and the "ultimate morality". We've been over it many times.