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Originally posted by @eladarThe New Testament represents God’s New Covenant with man. Why not focus on that instead of the Old Covenant which is no longer in effect?
It really amazes me how many churches preach a modern values God and only teaches out of the New Testament.
I like the Old Testament but mostly for the history, Psalms, wisdom and prophecies. Not for doctrine.
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27 May 18
Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemThat’s a good point. I’ll have to confirm what I think is a proper rejoinder and get back to you (unless someone else does first.)
Noah's Flood, perhaps?
27 May 18
Originally posted by @romans1009God is always the same. If you want to know Jesus you must also know the God of the OT. They are the same. Jesus only teaches what his father tells him to teach.
The New Testament represents God’s New Covenant with man. Why not focus on that instead of the Old Covenant which is no longer in effect?
I like the Old Testament but mostly for the history, Psalms, wisdom and prophecies. Not for doctrine.
Try Deuteronomy 20.
27 May 18
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Originally posted by @tom-wolseyI would agree also that insomuch as a place of "eternal damnation" (or some such) that the place is better represented in the movie What Dreams May Come (1998), possibly Robin Williams' best movie. The afterlife seems a place where people 'hamstring' themselves by their own 'indoctrinated' beliefs. At least, for now. After Jesus gets back, all bets are off.
Or so it would seem. To the casual observer. I was responding to the idea that WE decide if we go to hell when technically all we do is take actions deserving of it, and God makes the final decision and takes the final action.
27 May 18
Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemAfter seeing your thread, I came back here to see if you really did get the idea from me, or if I was imagining it. 🙂
See, now that is a good point. There ought to be a separate thread about this. The OT God clearly has "blind spots". Clearly, he is not omniscient.
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27 May 18
Originally posted by @eladarDeuteronomy, Numbers and Leviticus are less about 'being a follower of God' and more about 'being a Jew'.
God is always the same. If you want to know Jesus you must also know the God of the OT. They are the same. Jesus only teaches what his father tells him to teach.
Try Deuteronomy 20.
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27 May 18
Originally posted by @eladarRight. But we are now living in an age of grace thanks to Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross.
The Jews were following the commands of God the Father which means that they are the same commands Jesus would have given.
BTW, do you believe in the deity and Resurrection of Jesus Christ and the purpose of His sacrifice on the cross?
27 May 18
Originally posted by @romans1009What we call the Old Testament is alive and well in Jewish synagogues.
The New Testament represents God’s New Covenant with man. Why not focus on that instead of the Old Covenant which is no longer in effect?
I like the Old Testament but mostly for the history, Psalms, wisdom and prophecies. Not for doctrine.
27 May 18
Originally posted by @romans1009They were living in an age of grace as well. Everyone who receives salvation receives it the same way, through Jesus' sacrifice.
Right. But we are now living in an age of grace thanks to Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross.
BTW, do you believe in the deity and Resurrection of Jesus Christ and the purpose of His sacrifice on the cross?
We have a new covenant but the demand to be righteous is the same. As Jesus said if your righteousness does not surpass that of the Pharisee you will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
But those who have the holy spirit in their heart will live a righteous life and be able to recognize sin.
28 May 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseySo he's already got next week's Lotto numbers!
God is completely sovereign. Nothing occurs without his foreknowledge and foreordination. Nothing.
(Please ask him to pass them on to the charity of his choice)
28 May 18
Originally posted by @sonshipMaybe it is your interpretation/ideology of "perfect justice" that is the morally incoherent abomination. If you are as smart as you pretend you are, you will know this is not something you can disguise by asking trite, loaded questions like "Is God capable of imperfect justice?"
Divegeester,
You always want to argue with me but you don't want to answer questions I put to you.
Is God capable of imperfect justice?
Or in other words, if God were to dispense imperfect justice would it be Him going against His nature?
Yes or No?