What's the latest on the 144,000?

Originally posted by Penguin
Does anyone have some decent speech recognition software that they could run the video through to extract the text?

--- Penguin

you are free to ask any questions related to our beliefs regarding the 144,000. It
strikes me as somewhat peculiar that you people are not actually concerned with what
those beliefs are nor in how they are deduced from scripture, otherwise you would
have asked some salient questions by now, but look, we are bereft.

Instead you seek to attempt to perpetuate fictional issue's which cannot be known and
which lead to naught but futility. So be it.

(2 Timothy 2:23-24) . . .Further, turn down foolish and ignorant questionings, knowing
they produce fights.

Originally posted by FMF
Surely it's not "the video" that's the issue; it's the questions raised in it. Right?

why dont you find out and ask them, like you threatened?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you are free to ask any questions related to our beliefs regarding the 144,000. It
strikes me as somewhat peculiar that you people are not actually concerned with what
those beliefs are nor in how they are deduced from scripture, otherwise you would
have asked some salient questions by now, but look, we are bereft.

We are only "bereft" in terms of questions/answers in so much as you are behaving in a peculiar manner. The questions that you are dodging are in the video. They are the salient questions. How do your beliefs, which you say are "deduced from scripture", enable you to address the questions raised in the video in the OP?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
why dont you find out and ask them, like you threatened?

I do not need to "find out" what the questions are because I have already seen the video. Why don't you just watch it and then answer them?

Originally posted by Rajk999
and clearly only God knows who they are. Anybody in your organization who claim the be in the 144,000 referred to in revelation are frauds.

How do I know that? The 144,000 are chosen from the 12 tribes of Israel; 12,000 from each tribe.

Your assertion is incorrect for it fails to take into account, 'spiritual Israel ', and is
reminiscent of some christidelphian misunderstandings that i have come across
before. Paul clearly states that there is such a thing as a spiritual Jew, Peter
reiterates this when he states to the gentile christians that they are a chosen, race,
a holy people for special possessions.

(1 Peter 2:9-10) . . .But you are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a
people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies” of
the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.  For you were once
not a people, but are now God’s people; you were those who had not been shown
mercy, but are now those who have been shown mercy.

(Galatians 6:15-16) . . .For neither is circumcision anything nor is uncircumcision,
but a new creation [is something].  And all those who will walk orderly by this rule of
conduct, upon them be peace and mercy, even upon the Israel of God.

(Romans 2:28-29) . . .For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is
circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh.  But he is a Jew who is one
on the inside, and [his] circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a
written code. . . .

Originally posted by FMF
We are only "bereft" in terms of questions/answers in so much as you are behaving in a peculiar manner. The questions that you are dodging are in the video. They are the salient questions. How do your beliefs, which you say are "deduced from scripture", enable you to address the questions raised in the video in the OP?

I think it rather peculiar myself, after me having asked you now more than seven
times to produce your questions, you cannot do so, which has led me to the conclusion
that you have no real interest in the subject at all, oh well, hum ho, life goes on.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I think it rather peculiar myself, after me having asked you now more than seven
times to produce your questions, you cannot do so, which has led me to the conclusion
that you have no real interest in the subject at all, oh well, hum ho, life goes on.

The questions are in the video, robbie.

Originally posted by FMF
The questions are in the video, robbie.

and there they will stay until you can bring yourself to ask them.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
and there they will stay until you can bring yourself to ask them.

You only have to watch the video, robbie. The questions are there. It's short. 5 minutes, no more.

Originally posted by FMF
You only have to watch the video, robbie. The questions are there. It's short. % minutes, no more.

all you have to do is ask them FMF, in the time it has taken you to type all of your text,
they could have been answered, but look, you did not want it!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
all you have to do is ask them FMF, in the time it has taken you to type all of your text,
they could have been answered, but look, you did not want it!

In the time it has taken you to type all of your text, you could have listened to the questions raised and answered them. I think it is what you don't want to do, that is the "it" that is interesting here.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Your assertion is incorrect for it fails to take into account, 'spiritual Israel ', and is
reminiscent of some christidelphian misunderstandings that i have come across
before. Paul clearly states that there is such a thing as a spiritual Jew, Peter
reiterates this when he states to the gentile christians that they are a chosen, race,
a holy ...[text shortened]... ide, and [his] circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a
written code. . . .

There are spiritual Jews and natural Jews.

Natural Jews are the descendants of Jacob whose sons made up the 12 tribes of Israel which were named in Revelation.

Spiritual Jews are those who are baptised into Christ.

The Revelation statement referrs to NATURAL JEWS becuase all the Tribes are named. Of which tribe of Israel named in Revelation, have the Jehovah Witnesses descended from?

If NONE , then they cannot be in the 144,000.

In addition if the Names listed is figurative and refer to something else then the 144,000 listed is also figurative and symbolic of something else.

You cannot take the 144,000 as literal which you are doing and then claiming the rest of it like the names of the tribes are figurative.

Originally posted by FMF
In the time it has taken you to type all of your text, you could have listened to the questions raised and answered them. I think it is what you don't want to do, that is the "it" that is interesting here.

well dear FMF, when you can bring yourself to actually ask the question, le me know, ill
see what i can do, in the meantime, i am off to play some blitz chess, have a pleasant
day.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
well dear FMF, when you can bring yourself to actually ask the question, le me know, ill
see what i can do, in the meantime, i am off to play some blitz chess, have a pleasant
day.

Just watch the video, robbie.

Originally posted by Rajk999
There are spiritual Jews and natural Jews.

Natural Jews are the descendants of Jacob whose sons made up the 12 tribes of Israel which were named in Revelation.

Spiritual Jews are those who are baptised into Christ.

The Revelation statement referrs to NATURAL JEWS becuase all the Tribes are named. Of which tribe of Israel named in Revelation, have th ...[text shortened]... hich you are doing and then claiming the rest of it like the names of the tribes are figurative.

the scriptures, peter clearly called the gentile christians a chosen race, this coupled
with the fact that Christ told the natural Jews as a whole that the kingdom would be
taken from them and given to another people is incontrovertible proof, that the Israel
of God, is a new creation, made up of persons who are Jews on the inside.