Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeStep back and see what I said numbnuts.
Take a step back and think about this logically.
1. FMF is an atheist.
2. Atheists don't believe in God.
3. Why would an atheist blame anything on a God they don't believe in?
People are people and our reality has nothing to do with our beliefs. I know you are too wrapped up in your own beliefs to see things from another point of view which is one reason why numbnuts is such a great word to describe you.
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08 Jul 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayI must give more thought to how sin is involved.
Actually, there is only One God and all of our ideas from our human nature are all wrong.
We are sinners, warped by sin and we see everything as through a glass darkly. Left to
our own devices we would not even get close to grasping God, only through God's
intervention are we able to get a small grasp of God's Holy and Just nature. With the
spirit of m ...[text shortened]... nderstanding of the things of man, only with the
Spirit of God can we grasp God and His nature.
08 Jul 18
I would choose to just not participate in these sorts of threads if it was someone else... I've given too many arguments about it and felt that there hasn't even been meaningful interaction with all of the work that i have done about this.
I am just here to emphasize that Dive has never successfully squared any of this with the Bible.
And, perhaps more controversially, he persists while not caring at all about squaring this theologically.
This is not even heretical because the arguments are so areligious and bad, and there is no real, serious claim of Dive's Christianity at this point, right?
Originally posted by @philokaliaYou don't think divegeester is a Christian because you disagree with him about eternal torture, is that what you mean?
This is not even heretical because the arguments are so areligious and bad, and there is no real, serious claim of Dive's Christianity at this point, right?
08 Jul 18
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KellyJay, I advise you to avoid eating or drinking anything when you read this.
Originally posted by @lemon-lime"I thought everything was destroyed in the Lake of Fire, but that one statement 'the worm does not die' was a mystery to me up until a day or so ago. And you've been suggesting there is something odd about my learning this a day or so ago. So do you think it's odd that a man in mid-sixties can learn something he didn't know before?"
See for yourself
Thread 164162 page 45
Read the whole page from top to bottom.
I beg to differ, people should read the whole thread from beginning to end.
08 Jul 18
Originally posted by @fmfPage 45 covers the disputed timeline and facts about what was said.
"I thought everything was destroyed in the Lake of Fire, but that one statement 'the worm does not die' was a mystery to me up until a day or so ago. And you've been suggesting there is something odd about my learning this a day or so ago. So do you think it's odd that a man in mid-sixties can learn something he didn't know before?"
[b]Read the whole page fr ...[text shortened]... op to bottom.
I beg to differ, people should read the whole thread from beginning to end.[/b]
Do I need to remind you of what you and divegeester remembered (as opposed to what I remembered) in this thread?
08 Jul 18
Originally posted by @lemon-limeYes, same ole, same ole.
See for yourself
Thread 164162 page 45
Read the whole page from top to bottom.
KellyJay, I advise you to avoid eating or drinking anything when you read this.
Originally posted by @lemon-limeReading the whole thread demonstrates how your aim - as it was ad nauseam back in those days as you cropped up in thread after thread offering that same bit of banter - was obviously to declare that divegeester was not a Christian. In fact you and he did not really have much in the way of theological disagreements.
Page 45 covers the disputed timeline and facts about what was said.
Do I need to remind you of what you and divegeester remembered (as opposed to what I remembered) in [b]this thread?[/b]
But In order to put a fine point on some sort of a difference between you on the one hand - supposedly a "True Christian" [an expression you used frequently] and divegeester - "a Christian in name only" on the other, you went from "I thought everything was destroyed in the Lake of Fire" [up until your "mid-sixties", no less] to a torture god ideologue in the space of "a day or so".
08 Jul 18
Originally posted by @fmfI don't recall the scriptures suggesting a full mouth belief in an eternal lake of fire as what
You don't think divegeester is a Christian because you disagree with him about eternal torture, is that what you mean?
makes or breaks our relationship with Jesus Christ. If dive isn't right with Jesus, it does
not matter how he feels about the lake of fire, if dive doesn't have the Spirit of God, it
does not matter how he feels about anything written in the Word of God. For that matter
if dive has perfect knowledge of scripture but isn't right with God through Jesus Christ he
is going to lose out period.
08 Jul 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayDo you then agree with Philokalia and think that divegeester is not a Christian?
I don't recall the scriptures suggesting a full mouth belief in an eternal lake of fire as what
makes or breaks our relationship with Jesus Christ. If dive isn't right with Jesus, it does
not matter how he feels about the lake of fire, if dive doesn't have the Spirit of God, it
does not matter how he feels about anything written in the Word of God. For ...[text shortened]... edge of scripture but isn't right with God through Jesus Christ he
is going to lose out period.
08 Jul 18
Originally posted by @fmfDid you read what I wrote? For crying out loud, it doesn't matter what I think, its us through
Do you then agree with Philokalia and think that divegeester is not a Christian?
Jesus Christ, not us according to some stinking popularity contest on who agrees with whom.
Originally posted by @kellyjayI am not contending that this is a "popularity contest". You have introduced that notion into this conversation, not me.
Did you read what I wrote? For crying out loud, it doesn't matter what I think, its us through
Jesus Christ, not us according to some stinking popularity contest on who agrees with whom.
The issue of "who agrees with whom" is par for the course on a debate and discussion forum. Philokalia has asserted that there is no real, serious claim that divegeester is a Christian. Do you concur?
You claim that it does not matter what you think, and yet you were at pains to let people know what you think about my Christian past, even to the point of trying to brand me as a liar.
divegeester self-identifies as a Christian - as I once used to. Do you think he is a liar in much the same was as you think I am a liar?