Why torturing people for eternity is wrong

Originally posted by @kellyjay
I don't recall the scriptures suggesting a full mouth belief in an eternal lake of fire as what
makes or breaks our relationship with Jesus Christ. If dive isn't right with Jesus, it does
not matter how he feels about the lake of fire, if dive doesn't have the Spirit of God, it
does not matter how he feels about anything written in the Word of God. For ...[text shortened]... edge of scripture but isn't right with God through Jesus Christ he
is going to lose out period.

What makes you think I’m not “right with Jesus”?

Whatever that means.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
For crying out loud, it doesn't matter what I think...

Why do you hide like this? You post for pages and pages about topics where clearly it does matter what you think, FMF’s past for example, then when you are put on the spot you fumble around and become all wispy washy and suddenly it’s not important what you think. It just and excuse to not answer a question you don’t like. In short it’s dishonesty.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
What I think of dive has nothing to do with you, and it is none of your business.

I’d like to know, or hasn’t it got anything to do with me either?

Originally posted by @lemon-lime
You're repeating yourself.
Who are you trying to convince, me or you?

It’s there in black and white!

In the past we seemed to be fairly aligned on whatever theological items came up in the forum. The main point of difference you have with me is that you don’t like me, admit it.

Then you suddenly, after 40 odd years of “struggling with it”, you had eternal torture which you could use as your point of theological differentiation.

You’ve been caught barefaced lying in this forum before Lemon Lime, don’t compound it with this hokum about “worms”....

Originally posted by @js357
What is the point of debating {or making a 'real serious claim' ) on whether a person is/is not a Christian?

Two reasons:

1) they can feel justified in disliking me and having a go at me. Clearly the attitude is that one must toe the Christian party line in here, breakaway dissenters will be reclassified.

2) some perhaps not all but certainly sonship who stated this once...will feel reinforced in me knowing that I will be tortured alive by thier Jesus and this will help them forgive me for mistreating them.

Originally posted by @lemon-lime
A wannabe wolf in sheep's clothing needs to do more than simply wear a wool patch on his sleeve.
If Dive wants to play the Christian then who am I to say no, he can do as he pleases. But if he wants to be convincing in this role he needs to up his game. He (and you) might be able to befuddle someone new at this, but you are both too lazy and unimaginati ...[text shortened]... the level of deception and treachery needed to keep anyone interested and coming back for more.

On what grounds do you say that I am not a Christian?

Originally posted by @lemon-lime
You're repeating yourself.
Who are you trying to convince, me or you?

This whole thread is a grand repeat.

Originally posted by @divegeester
You chose to believe as soon as you realised that most of the American Christians in this forum believed it and I didn’t and you could get your ass off of the fence.

The piece about the “worm” that Grampy Bobby posted was a gift from him to you, a sort of “come over to our side brother”.

It was amusing to watch as another piece of your credibilit ...[text shortened]... (you lost the rest of it over the lying incident about a year earlier) went down the plug hole.

Have you managed to come up with anything outside of your personal tastes that disproves
scripture when it speaks of eternal punishment? If you cannot, than your real issues is not
with anyone of us, but the Word of God where your opinions and personal taste will not
sway God.

Originally posted by @js357
That metaphor is too murky for me.

We are born into sin, it is more than just bad choices it is the selfishness that drives and
binds us. So it is our natural state of man, as such it seems right to us, but in the end it is
death. Like the fish whose whole being is within water, it is all we know without the Spirit
of God to change things up in man, to make us, born again.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Spectators in Hell.

That’s right your literal interpretation of that scripture means that your version of the loving Jesus will in there in hell, for eternity, supervising the burning alive of billions of people.

It’s terrorism on an apocalyptic scale.

You want to debate me about Hell, bring up the scriptures you have issues with then show
me what they means outside of the clear meaning they have by a simple reading. Outside
of that, you are just blowing smoke.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Two reasons:

1) they can feel justified in disliking me and having a go at me. Clearly the attitude is that one must toe the Christian party line in here, breakaway dissenters will be reclassified.

2) some perhaps not all but certainly sonship who stated this once...will feel reinforced in me knowing that I will be tortured alive by thier Jesus and this will help them forgive me for mistreating them.

I think you get off on this, stupid as it is trying to get people to question your Christian
beliefs.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Why do you hide like this? You post for pages and pages about topics where clearly it does matter what you think, FMF’s past for example, then when you are put on the spot you fumble around and become all wispy washy and suddenly it’s not important what you think. It just and excuse to not answer a question you don’t like. In short it’s dishonesty.

FMF's claims he was a Christian, yet doesn't know the most basic fundamental things
about Christian doctrine. So yes, I question his telling the truth when it comes to his past
and still do. The topic changed when I said it didn't matter, it was focused on what I
thought about you and your claims to be a Christian due to your beliefs about Hell. I said
the only thing that mattered with you being a Christian was your relationship with Jesus
Christ, not what I thought about you. Take time to follow along dive for goodness sake.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
FMF's claims he was a Christian, yet doesn't know the most basic fundamental things about Christian doctrine.

It is you who is behaving as if you don't understand your own Christian doctrine. You've been deflecting for days rather than allow your incoherent opinions about "morality", "guilt" and "justice" to be scrutinized.

Originally posted by @fmf
It is you who is behaving as if you don't understand your own Christian doctrine. You've been deflecting for days rather than allow your incoherent opinions about "morality", "guilt" and "justice" to be scrutinized.

Well, stop asking me questions you should already know the answers too.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
So yes, I question his telling the truth when it comes to his past and still do.

I will continue to pay you the courtesy of taking you at your word with regard to your beliefs past and present. You don't have to prove to me that you were a Christian in the past or that you really are a Christian in the present. You describe yourself; I presume you are telling the truth. This is basic common decency, KellyJay.