Why torturing people for eternity is wrong

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Well, stop asking me questions you should already know the answers too.

More deflection. What are your answers to my questions?

Originally posted by @fmf
I will continue to pay you the courtesy of taking you at your word with regard to your beliefs past and present. You don't have to prove to me that you were a Christian in the past or that you really are a Christian in the present. You describe yourself; I presume you are telling the truth. This is basic common decency, KellyJay.

I'm not asking you to pay me a courtesy about my past beliefs! I doubt you, I doubt your
honesty, I doubt your sincerity, and your authenticity when asking questions. I'm being
honest with you, and I don't think you have been with me, I prefer honesty over your so
called courtesy while you insult me off and on.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
Your 3 step logical progression is not missed by Christians. In fact it's almost as much a head-scratcher for us as it is you. I say almost because while you see no logic at all in an atheist blaming God, we see acknowledge the seeming logical contradiction. But we also see it as a natural, subconscious reaction sparked by resentment; resentment becau ...[text shortened]... d[/i] exist--exactly as described in the bible--causing bitterness, resentment, the whole gamut.

I don't blame your God for anything. I don't resent your God for anything. I don't believe in your God.

Your God is not real for me, in either my conscious thought or in the recesses of my subconscious. In this kind of interaction between theist and atheist the elephant in the room is not 'atheist resentment or blame' but the 'theist requirement' (either conscious or subconsciously) for the atheist to be affected in some deep way by the absence of God in their life.

If this is not the case sir, should I also feel blame and resentment towards the many gods of Hinduism? If not, why your God in particular when I disbelieve in all proposed deities?


(I advise modifying your Opening if you want to make it to the Endgame).

Originally posted by @kellyjay
This whole thread is a grand repeat.

And the purpose of the OP was in response to you claiming you didn’t know what I believed you dishonest little weasel.

Remember saying that?

(Silence)

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Have you managed to come up with anything outside of your personal tastes that disproves
scripture when it speaks of eternal punishment? If you cannot, than your real issues is not
with anyone of us, but the Word of God where your opinions and personal taste will not
sway God.

Once again I refer you to the scripture point in my OP.

perhaps you find the balls to honestly answer this question for what seems like the millionth time:

Is it morally right to burn non Christians alive for eternity? Yes or no?

Either it is or isn’t.

Considering how certain you are of your scriptural interpretations this will be an easy one for you....

Originally posted by @kellyjay
You want to debate me about Hell, bring up the scriptures you have issues with then show
me what they means outside of the clear meaning they have by a simple reading. Outside
of that, you are just blowing smoke.

Ah now your playing the cowardly josephw deflection card of go find me the scriptures that support what I believe then I’ll debate you.

You’re a coward Kelly.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
I think you get off on this, stupid as it is trying to get people to question your Christian
beliefs.

I’m being accused of not being a Christian, don’t I have the right to defend myself?

Originally posted by @kellyjay
FMF's claims he was a Christian, yet doesn't know the most basic fundamental things
about Christian doctrine. So yes, I question his telling the truth when it comes to his past
and still do. The topic changed when I said it didn't matter, it was focused on what I
thought about you and your claims to be a Christian due to your beliefs about Hell. I said ...[text shortened]... h Jesus
Christ, not what I thought about you. Take time to follow along dive for goodness sake.

Start a thread on it!

It has nothing to do with the question he is asking YOU. You are just deflecting and running away from your own beliefs. It’s pathetic to watch.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Well, stop asking me questions you should already know the answers too.

So far we have two new reasons for you not to answer questions:

1) what you think is not important so you don’t have to respond

2) someone should know the answers so you don’t have to respond.

This is addition to your lines and line of obfuscation and woolly responses. Just meet his questions head on, deal with it!

Originally posted by @divegeester
And the purpose of the OP was in response to you claiming you didn’t know what I believed you dishonest little weasel.

Remember saying that?

(Silence)

"little weasel" I don't know what you believe unless you tell me. Someone kick your dog?

This OP is all about what? The central point of this is, does the Bible teach an eternal Hell
people are going to be in or not. If is just what does KellyJay believe, I'll tell you and you
can compare that to what you believe. It will get you no where since my beliefs and yours
will not change if Hell is there and people are going to be thrown into it or not. So give
the scriptures that support your view, or explain those that do away if possible. Attempting
to make me the bad guy just shows how weak your position really is, and the fact you
keep bringing up over and over through the years shows me anyway you know the truth
and it is eating away at you.

Originally posted by @divegeester
So far we have two new reasons for you not to answer questions:

1) what you think is not important so you don’t have to respond

2) someone should know the answers so you don’t have to respond.

This is addition to your lines and line of obfuscation and woolly responses. Just meet his questions head on, deal with it!

Make me the bad guy, it will not change if Hell is real or not and people are going to spend
time in it. You and fmf joined at the hip, you his mom?

Originally posted by @kellyjay
"little weasel" I don't know what you believe unless you tell me. Someone kick your dog?

This OP is all about what? The central point of this is, does the Bible teach an eternal Hell
people are going to be in or not. If is just what does KellyJay believe, I'll tell you and you
can compare that to what you believe. It will get you no where since my bel ...[text shortened]... ver and over through the years shows me anyway you know the truth
and it is eating away at you.

You were blatantly lying when you claimed you didn’t know what I believe as you are claiming thread is all a repeat.

Is it a repeat and you were lying about not knowing what I believed, or are you lying about this thread being a repeat?

Just be honest, can’t you even tell when you’re not!

Originally posted by @divegeester
Start a thread on it!

It has nothing to do with the question he is asking YOU. You are just deflecting and running away from your own beliefs. It’s pathetic to watch.

You and I have nothing to say to one another on who and how we answer or don't answer
someone else' point to us. You are quite full of yourself there dive.

Originally posted by @divegeester
You were blatantly lying when you claimed you didn’t know what I believe as you are claiming thread is all a repeat.

Is it a repeat and you were lying about not knowing what I believed, or are you lying about this thread being a repeat?

Just be honest, can’t you even tell when you’re not!

Yea, blame me, make me the bad guy. Its all my fault!

Originally posted by @kellyjay
You and I have nothing to say to one another on who and how we answer or don't answer
someone else' point to us. You are quite full of yourself there dive.

Either answer the man or point blank tell him you are not going to.

Have some balls man.