Why torturing people for eternity is wrong

Originally posted by @lemon-lime
A wannabe wolf in sheep's clothing needs to do more than simply wear a wool patch on his sleeve.
If Dive wants to play the Christian then who am I to say no, he can do as he pleases. But if he wants to be convincing in this role he needs to up his game. He (and you) might be able to befuddle someone new at this, but you are both too lazy and unimaginati ...[text shortened]... the level of deception and treachery needed to keep anyone interested and coming back for more.

Aside from his lack of belief/objection to the morality of eternal torture for non-Christians, how many differences are there between your Christian beliefs and his? Can you list them all? Can you list any of them?

Indeed, are there any significant differences at all between your belief in Jesus and his belief in Jesus?

I am not looking for evidence of your animosity ~ you know, disinhibited banter about his supposed "deception and treachery" etc. etc. ad nauseam, stretching back years because he once ruffled your feathers and whatnot ~ I am not interested in that kind of stuff; I am interested in how yours and his belief in Jesus actually differs in any meaningful sense aside from the Jesus-the-torturer issue.

Originally posted by @lemon-lime
A wannabe wolf in sheep's clothing needs to do more than simply wear a wool patch on his sleeve.
If Dive wants to play the Christian then who am I to say no, he can do as he pleases. But if he wants to be convincing in this role he needs to up his game. He (and you) might be able to befuddle someone new at this, but you are both too lazy and unimaginati ...[text shortened]... the level of deception and treachery needed to keep anyone interested and coming back for more.

The way this is going, Dive might reasonably be expecting a kind of Spanish Inquisition. (JARRING CHORD)

Originally posted by @js357
The way this is going, Dive might reasonably be expecting a kind of Spanish Inquisition. (JARRING CHORD)

I am not sure lemon lime is capable of playing a JARRING CHORD on the one string he has in his holier-than-thou Christian bow.

Originally posted by @eladar
Step back and see what I said numbnuts.

People are people and our reality has nothing to do with our beliefs. I know you are too wrapped up in your own beliefs to see things from another point of view which is one reason why numbnuts is such a great word to describe you.

Fair enough, Fopdoodle.

(Old English for an insignificant or foolish man).

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Fair enough, Fopdoodle.

(Old English for an insignificant or foolish man).

Your 3 step logical progression is not missed by Christians. In fact it's almost as much a head-scratcher for us as it is you. I say almost because while you see no logic at all in an atheist blaming God, we see acknowledge the seeming logical contradiction. But we also see it as a natural, subconscious reaction sparked by resentment; resentment because the avowed atheist knows deep inside that God could exist--exactly as described in the bible--causing bitterness, resentment, the whole gamut.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
Your 3 step logical progression is not missed by Christians. In fact it's almost as much a head-scratcher for us as it is you. I say almost because while you see no logic at all in an atheist blaming God, we see acknowledge the seeming logical contradiction. But we also see it as a natural, subconscious reaction sparked by resentment; resentment becau ...[text shortened]... d[/i] exist--exactly as described in the bible--causing bitterness, resentment, the whole gamut.

If that is so, to what do you attribute the bitterness and resentment displayed by many of the Chritians here when they are faced with dissent and/or lack of belief on the part of non-Christians?

Originally posted by @fmf
If that is so, to what do you attribute the bitterness and resentment displayed by many of the Chritians here when they are faced with dissent and/or lack of belief on the part of non-Christians?

I can't speak for anyone else but I definitely don't feel any bitterness or resentment when atheists express dissent and/or lack of belief. Just the fact that atheists are willing to discuss the subject of God is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. The dissent and lack of belief are understandable.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
I can't speak for anyone else but I definitely don't feel any bitterness or resentment when atheists express dissent and/or lack of belief. Just the fact that atheists are willing to discuss the subject of God is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. The dissent and lack of belief are understandable.

While some people's demeanour and beaviour - both believers and non-believers - might rub others up the wrong way and cause some rancour here from time to time, I don't see lack of belief causing any bitterness or resentment among non-Christians here in this community.

Originally posted by @fmf
As I recall it, for forty years of being a Christian you had not believed in eternal torture, you said so explicitly, and then you wet your finger, held it up to the forum wind, and suddenly decided that you did believe in eternal torture after all so that you could disagree with divegeester and mutter about him not being a Christian because of his stance on eternal torture.

BINGO!

Originally posted by @lemon-lime
It would be arrogant to presume to know what anyone else remembers or believes, so if that's how you remember it and you want to call it "not believing" that is your prerogative.

During that 40 years I learned to trust God, regardless of whether or not I understood what I was reading. I struggled with the idea of eternal torment, but this does not mean I disbelieved it.

You chose to believe as soon as you realised that most of the American Christians in this forum believed it and I didn’t and you could get your ass off of the fence.

The piece about the “worm” that Grampy Bobby posted was a gift from him to you, a sort of “come over to our side brother”.

It was amusing to watch as another piece of your credibility (you lost the rest of it over the lying incident about a year earlier) went down the plug hole.

Originally posted by @eladar
FMF is simply a loser who blames his miserable existence on God and Christians.

No other reason to waste so much of his time as he does.

LOL.

Originally posted by @fmf
You don't recall when lemon lime went from having your view of eternal torture to Grampy Bobby's in the space of a few posts? It was comical.

It was one of those forum moments that should have been “sticky posted”, if we had that facility.

Originally posted by @philokalia
I would choose to just not participate in these sorts of threads if it was someone else... I've given too many arguments about it and felt that there hasn't even been meaningful interaction with all of the work that i have done about this.

I am just here to emphasize that Dive has never successfully squared any of this with the Bible.

And, perhap ...[text shortened]... igious and bad, and there is no real, serious claim of Dive's Christianity at this point, right?

Jacob, this thread is about both the moral and scriptural implications of the doctrine of burning people alive for eternity.

I have laid out a detailed 7 point argument in my OP (becuase KellyJay claimed in another thread that he didn’t know what I believed, somehow)....why not pick up some of those points and make an argument yourself instead of grinding out the same old “dive isn’t a Christian” yarn?

Originally posted by @lemon-lime
See for yourself

Thread 164162 page 45
Read the whole page from top to bottom.

KellyJay, I advise you to avoid eating or drinking anything when you read this.

Spectators in Hell.

That’s right your literal interpretation of that scripture means that your version of the loving Jesus will in there in hell, for eternity, supervising the burning alive of billions of people.

It’s terrorism on an apocalyptic scale.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Yes, same ole, same ole.

That’s right KellyJay burning people alive for not loving you is amoral, it is unbelievable wickedness, and you support it, you believe it is morally justified, don’t you?