25 Oct 19
@rajk999 saidMatthew 4:4
Jesus said that keeping His commandments is necessary for eternal life.
You dont need the whole bible.
If you think you do then you are a vain man, heading to damnation.
But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
It doesn't sound like you and Jesus are in agreement, He says every word of God and you say we don't need the whole Bible. You do accept the Bible is the Word of God and by that I mean all of it, or no?
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@divegeester saidAre you in agreement or disagreement?
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I guess you have answered your own question.
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With few words God shows that the skin color of the Ethiopian or the spots of the leopard are like the unchanging nature of the sinner.
This is not a dispersion on people from Ethiopia or on leopards.
"Take heed how you hear" (Mark 4:24; Luke 8:18) said the Lord Jesus.
This is about the fallen man has received an unchangeable nature that keeps mankind offending God.
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Adam ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil which he was forbidden to eat. It was not just that he offended God. In addition to that poison got into his body. This was the evil nature of Satan.
Then the human body became what the Bible calls the flesh. Paul said that he knew that in his flesh nothing good dwells. A power is working in his flesh that on general principal sins against the law of God.
Look at Romans 7:17-20.
"Now then it is no longer I that work it out but sin that dwells in me. (v17)
For I know that in me, that is in my flesh, nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but to work out the good is not. (v.18)
For I do not do the good which I will; but the evil which I do not will, this I practice. (v.19)
But if what I do not will, this I do, it is no longer I that work it out but sin that dwells in me. "(v.20)
Adam and all of his descendants had the evil nature of Satan injected into their body to transmute it into something called "the flesh". Sin as a rebellious evil power drives man down against his will, to offend God.
We cannot change this nature that we received in the fall of Adam.
25 Oct 19
@sonship saidAccording to him, it looks that way unless he can explain it.
@KellyJay
I was always under the impression the Word of God was the Word of God, you surprised me when you said you know what verses were important and what wasn't, and if anyone thinks they needed the whole Bible they were on their way to being damned.
He didn't really say this did he?
I thought that the Lord Jesus said man should live by EVERY W ...[text shortened]... Did Rajk999 imply that to live by every word from the mouth of God is to be headed for damnation ??
25 Oct 19
@rajk999 saidI believe you will find we are saved by grace through faith that is not of ourselves it too is a gift of God?
You are a sick man.
Get some help.
Your faith alone doctrine is garbage.
You are suffering from the defeating statements by the Apostles that faith without works is dead and many other statements along those lines. Can faith save a man? NO.
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The scriptures deny that it is by works we are saved, but not that we will be doing them. They are not in contradiction about that, our faith in Christ itself is a gift of God, and with God's Spirit we are being led to the works of God as He sanctifies us as He redeems us.
In my young years as a Christian, I found that even some of the worst sins I committed were AFTER I believed in Jesus.
One day after a particularly humiating failure the Holy Spirit said to me in essence - "Everything you have comes from Me."
I have learned but need to learn more to take the Lord Jesus Christ as EVERYTHING.
Ie.
"Lord Jesus, I come with no faith. Lord YOU be my faith.
Lord Jesus, my repentance is shallow. I cannot repent 'down to the very bottom'. Lord Jesus I need YOU to be my repentance.
Lord Jesus, as Aaron's sons laid their hands on the consecration offering to be one with that consecrated burnt offering, I lay my hands on You. Lord I need YOU to be my consecration.
We eventually need to take Christ as our EVERYTHING. Not only the gift of God is the faith in us towards God. Even the righteousness that He imparts into us that we may live Christ is a gift.
Ie. - "the GIFT of righteousness" by which we are not only positionally right with God but dispositionally right with God in living -
"For if by the offense of the one, death reigned though the one. much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of THE GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ." (Romans 5:17)
May we learn to take the living Jesus Christ as everything, everything we need ... everything is in Him.
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@sonship saidGod created the whole universe for Himself, for His good pleasure, and He receives glory out of it. In His creation, He is Lord, from the beginning of time till now He is Lord. What we see in our redemption even there it is not God owing us for the good things we have done; we were dead in our sins, He redeemed us while we were yet sinners, we were powerless, we could do nothing on our own to make us right with God.
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The scriptures deny that it is by works we are saved, but not that we will be doing them. They are not in contradiction about that, our faith in Christ itself is a gift of God, and with God's Spirit we are being led to the works of God as He sanctifies us as He redeems us.
In my young years as a Christian, I found that even some of the worst ...[text shortened]... we learn to take the living Jesus Christ as everything, everything we need ... everything is in Him.
For His love for us the Father sent the Son (Jesus Christ the very word of God) He sent Him to be one of us, where the Almighty Son of God took our sins upon Himself, became sin for us so we could be forgiven, saved from the wrath of God that is coming.
Our salvation is all God, not us because it was the Father who sent the Son while we were yet sinners for us. The Son of God who laid down His life for us and took our punishment in full! The Son of God was then raised back up so we can have the life of God in us! The Spirit of God who comes into believers we are saved to walk out our sanctification doing the works of God because God is in it.
This salvational work of God means that God has total preeminence in our salvation as well. We can take no credit for it; therefore, those arguing they are owed by God to be saved because they are good enough for whatever reason are outside of the redemptive work of Jesus Christ and will die in their sins.
This is the most excellent news ever, in my opinion, knowing we can go to God as we are, we can never get good enough to go, or earn the right to go to Him. Instead, we know He already knows all about us. Nothing we have ever done is hidden from Him, and He still died for us so we could be forgiven.
The most challenging thing about this owning our own sins, our guilt before God and confessing and repenting. Asking for forgiveness means we have to owe up to our sins and then give them to Him for mercy, that removes our pride before God, from then on we are free of our guilt to walk with Him.
Colossians 1:16-18 English Standard Version (ESV)
For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.
Sorry for the book, not the message. 🙂
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@KellyJay
Thankyou, and some response as I read along -
God created the whole universe for Himself, for His good pleasure, and He receives glory out of it. In His creation, He is Lord, from the beginning of time till now He is Lord.
Amen. And this is where I get into some difficulty with Rajk999. In one sense "the kingdom of God" is from eternity to eternity. As long as God ... in one sense ... the kingdom of God. That throughout the eternity.
This makes it tough to take the time to sort out with him:
Yes, the believer may be disciplined to be excluded from the kingdom, in one sense.
But in another sense, God's kingdom, God's administration also includes the backslider or the defeated saint.
I needed to get that off of my chest to someone. The task of going through Scripture carefully to show him this, I have avoided only for lack of dedication the labor needed to show this.
What we see in our redemption even there it is not God owing us for the good things we have done; we were dead in our sins, He redeemed us while we were yet sinners, we were powerless, we could do nothing on our own to make us right with God.
Very good. God knew this ... "powerless". But WE did not know or BELIEVE it so. God had to take the time for it to be REVEALED to us.
Early in Genesis after Adam fell in the very NEXT generation, God tells Cain he must master this sin nature crouching at the door of his heart. Now God knows Cain can only restrict it some in a limited way. But God knows Cain CANNOT save himself completely from its power.
"And Jehovah said to Cain, Why are you angry, and why has your countenance fallen?
If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and his desire is for you, but you must rule over him." (Genesis 4:6,7)
We know sin instead ruled over Cain. He committed the first murder.