Worse things than disbelief?

Originally posted by @romans1009
You think these definitions of “belief” and “thought” are the same?

Why would they be? A belief is a kind of thought. Why would the definitions have to be the same? "Suspicion" is a kind of thought. Do the definitions of "Suspicion" and "Thought" therefore have to be the same. No, of course not.

Originally posted by @romans1009
You’re aware that the post you’re responding to wasn’t written by me?

Yes, I am now. Thanks. My mistake.

Originally posted by @romans1009
Can we agree that there are varying degrees and intensities of beliefs?

To Romans1009: You returning again and again to what you seem to think is a slam dunk 'point' that " there are varying degrees and intensities of beliefs" is a discursive dud.

Originally posted by @apathist
Bears pop in shrubbery. This should not affect your world view.

We keep bears in zoos where there are zookeepers so that our world views don't have to be too affected by the issue of the poo of bears. 😉

Originally posted by @fmf
[b]Here is the dictionary definition of belief:

“an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
"his belief in the value of hard work"
2.
trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something.
"a belief in democratic politics" “


These are all thoughts. having confidence, trust, faith, acceptance, thinking something is true or that something exists, all thoughts, all functions of thinking.[/b]

I guess we’ll just have to disagree. I think “thoughts” and “beliefs” are two different things and that beliefs have varying degrees and intensities.

If I’m indoors in a windowless room and I check the weather on my phone and it says it’s raining, the logical way for me to express the current weather is to say, “I think it’s raining” or “I believe it’s raining,” though the latter is perhaps a bit of a stretch.

If I’m outdoors in a rainstorm and the rain is pelting and soaking me, it would be laughable (“risible” as you might say) for me to say, “I think it’s raining.”

Originally posted by @romans1009
I guess we’ll just have to disagree. I think “thoughts” and “beliefs” are two different things and that beliefs have varying degrees and intensities.

The fact that thoughts/beliefs come in all kinds of shapes and sizes is not a clincher argument you seem to think it is. Do you think you are "saved"? Yes you do. Do you think Jesus is your saviour?" Yes you do. Do you think the divinity of Jesus is obvious and easily demonstrated by the religious texts you subscribe to? Yes, you do. Your sincerity regarding these beliefs does not alter the fact that they are all based on your powers of thinking, nothing more, nothing less.

Originally posted by @fmf
The fact that thoughts/beliefs come in all kinds of shapes and sizes is not a clincher argument you seem to think it is. Do you think you are "saved"? Yes you do. Do you think Jesus is your saviour?" Yes you do. Do you think the divinity of Jesus is obvious and easily demonstrated by the religious texts you subscribe to? Yes, you do. Your sincerity regarding th ...[text shortened]... t alter the fact that they are all based on your powers of thinking, nothing more, nothing less.

You switched from think to beliefs midstream, amigo. Why’d you do that if beliefs and thoughts are absolute synonyms?

Originally posted by @romans1009
You switched from think to beliefs midstream, amigo. Why’d you do that if beliefs and thoughts are absolute synonyms?

Because a belief is a kind of thought. Please read what I am posting. Who has claimed that they are "absolute synonyms"? Not me. You are making stuff up. Come on, discuss this in good faith. No need for gimmicky stuff.

Originally posted by @fmf
Because a belief is a kind of thought. Please read what I am posting. Who has claimed that they are "absolute synonyms"? Not me. You are making stuff up. Come on, discuss this in good faith. No need for gimmicky stuff.

I am reading what you’re posting. How are beliefs and thoughts different then?

Originally posted by @romans1009
I am reading what you’re posting. How are beliefs and thoughts different then?

A belief is a kind of thought.

Originally posted by @fmf
A belief is a kind of thought.

But how is it distinct from thought? Or is it, in your view?

Originally posted by @romans1009
But how is it distinct from thought? Or is it, in your view?

Do you know dj2becker in real life?

Originally posted by @romans1009
But how is it distinct from thought? Or is it, in your view?

It's a kind of thought. "Thought" covers a wide range of ideas or opinions that are produced by thinking. All beliefs are thoughts. But not all thoughts are beliefs.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Do you know dj2becker in real life?

No

Originally posted by @fmf
It's a kind of thought. "Thought" covers a wide range of ideas or opinions that are produced by thinking. All beliefs are thoughts. But not all thoughts are beliefs.

You haven’t said what distinguishes belief from thought. You’ve just said belief is a kind of thought. What makes belief a different kind of thought than, say, an opinion or idea?