Worse things than disbelief?

Originally posted by @suzianne
Yeah, well, we're all good at some things and horrible at others.

What you are theorizing here is not the meaning of the many phrases exclusive to the Bible which speak of the heart. No worries, it's not the first thing about the Bible you've gotten wrong, and I daresay it won't be the last.

Beliefs are simply a particular type of thought. These two sentences mean the same thing: [1] I believe Jesus died for our "sins", [2] I think Jesus died for our "sins". Having this one idea (expressed in two slightly different sentences) is a function of the organ which is our brains. A metaphor about thoughts originating from some other organ in the body is a metaphor and that's all.

Originally posted by @suzianne
Yeah, and it was laughably off-target. Slow, and inaccurate.

My sensei would punish me for such a dishonorable performance.

This banter of yours is even more dreary than his.

Originally posted by @fmf
Beliefs are simply a particular type of thought. These two sentences mean the same thing: [1] I believe Jesus died for our "sins", [2] I think Jesus died for our "sins". Having this one idea (expressed in two slightly different sentences) is a function of the organ which is our brains. A metaphor about thoughts originating from some other organ in the body is a metaphor and that's all.

And frankly, this is why you err.

Originally posted by @fmf
Are you done with what were talking about then?

You’d think a person who repeatedly attacked someone under false pretenses would offer an apology when he realized his attacks were in error.

But such a person would have to have class to do that, which is why I don’t, and never did, expect an apology from the people in here who did it.

Originally posted by @fmf
This banter of yours is even more dreary than his.

I am so pleased that you disapprove, you have no idea.

Originally posted by @suzianne
No, this is enough of your "piss-taking" for me tonight.

There has been no "piss-taking". It's a bit unfair that I indulge you and your posting style, and then call it "piss-taking". I think I have been keeping pretty much to the topics in hand and I have been polite to you.

Originally posted by @romans1009
You’d think a person who repeatedly attacked someone under false pretenses would offer an apology when he realized his attacks were in error. But such a person would have to have class to do that, which is why I don’t, and never did, expect an apology from the people in here who did it.

What are you on about?

Originally posted by @fmf
There has been no "piss-taking". It's a bit unfair that I indulge you and your posting style, and then call it "piss-taking". I think I have been keeping pretty much to the topics in hand and I have been polite to you.

So you're going for the "cookie trifecta" tonight?

Splendid.


I think we're both done here. Finish with a few breathing exercises and I think we can call it a night. 🙂

Originally posted by @suzianne
And frankly, this is why you err.

How so?

If a person gets an artificial heart what happens to their belief that they "accept Jesus as their Lord and saviour"? If a person is on life support and their brain is dead but their heart is still beating, what happens to their belief that they "accept Jesus as their Lord and saviour"?

The "heart belief" thing is just a metaphor.

Originally posted by @fmf
Beliefs are simply a particular type of thought. These two sentences mean the same thing: [1] I believe Jesus died for our "sins", [2] I think Jesus died for our "sins". Having this one idea (expressed in two slightly different sentences) is a function of the organ which is our brains. A metaphor about thoughts originating from some other organ in the body is a metaphor and that's all.

So there are no degrees of belief and no convictions regarding beliefs?

Saying “I believe it’s going to rain today” carries the same weight in intent and meaning as “I believe I would lay down my life for you.”

Originally posted by @romans1009
So there are no degrees of belief and no convictions regarding beliefs?

Saying “I believe it’s going to rain today” carries the same weight in intent and meaning as “I believe I would lay down my life for you.”

I have said no such thing.

But you or I believing “it’s going to rain today” and us believing we “would lay down our lives for someone” are both thoughts and thus functions of the brain.

I have not claimed that every thought carries the same weight in intent and meaning, or anything even remotely like it.

Originally posted by @suzianne
Um, yeah, this is pre-destination, possibly the absolute worst part of a horrible belief, AKA Calvinism.

This verse speaks of the elect, which many think they are, but in fact are not.

Edit: Will come back to this.

Originally posted by @romans1009
So there are no degrees of belief and no convictions regarding beliefs?

Saying “I believe it’s going to rain today” carries the same weight in intent and meaning as “I believe I would lay down my life for you.”

It’s clear from posts like this you a not Fetchmybecker.
Even he is smarter than this.

Originally posted by @fmf
I have said no such thing.

But you or I believing “it’s going to rain today” and us believing we “would lay down our lives for someone” are both thoughts and thus functions of the brain.

I have not claimed that every thought carries the same weight in intent and meaning, or anything even remotely like it.

Then you agree with what I wrote earlier where I said since you have a problem with the concept of believing something in one’s heart that a similar way of saying that is a strong, sincere, committed and self-sacrificing belief.

Originally posted by @divegeester
It’s clear from posts like this you a not Fetchmybecker.
Even he is smarter than this.

Troll on, amigo!