Worse things than disbelief?

Originally posted by @romans1009
You haven’t said what distinguishes belief from thought. You’ve just said belief is a kind of thought. What makes belief a different kind of thought than, say, an opinion or idea?

I don't see how the definition of belief is a difficult thing at all. A belief is a firmly held opinion or conviction that an idea is true or that something exists. Every noun in that sentence is the function of a thought or thoughts. Nothing to do with the human organ that pumps blood.

Originally posted by @fmf
I don't see how the definition of belief is a difficult thing at all. A belief is a firmly held opinion or conviction that an idea is true or that something exists. Every noun in that sentence is the function of a thought or thoughts. Nothing to do with the human organ that pumps blood.

You’re still on “the human organ that pumps blood?” Do you get some sort of a royalty every time you write that phrase? We’re talking about the difference between thoughts and beliefs.

So nothing in your definition of “belief” is external? It’s just something “firmly held” by the person who has it?

Originally posted by @romans1009
You’re still on “the human organ that pumps blood?” Do you get some sort of a royalty every time you write that phrase? We’re talking about the difference between thoughts and beliefs.

Beliefs are kinds of thoughts. All beliefs are thoughts. Not all thoughts are beliefs. That's the difference between thoughts and beliefs.

Originally posted by @romans1009
So nothing in your definition of “belief” is external? It’s just something “firmly held” by the person who has it?

My definition is as follows:

A belief is a firmly held opinion or conviction that an idea is true or that something exists.

Rather than ask me questions that do not necessarily demonstrate that you have actually read my definition, offer a definition of your own that does not rely on poetic or sentimental metaphors.

Let's see.

Originally posted by @fmf
Beliefs are kinds of thoughts. All beliefs are thoughts. Not all thoughts are beliefs. That's the difference between thoughts and beliefs.

Almost as tautological as when you said the definition of death was being dead.

At least you’re getting better.

BTW, your claim that suzianne and I are “pissing in the pool” sounds an awful lot like projection, amigo

Originally posted by @fmf
My definition is as follows:

A belief is a firmly held opinion or conviction that an idea is true or that something exists.

Rather than ask me questions that do not necessarily demonstrate that you have actually read my definition, offer a definition of your own that does not rely on poetic or sentimental metaphors.

Let's see.

Ok, so your definition is entirely internal. That’s all I was asking.

Originally posted by @romans1009
Ok, so your definition is entirely internal. That’s all I was asking.

Not up to the challenge of offering your definition then? You asked me for mine. I immediately offered it to you. You not going to reciprocate?

FMF: Beliefs are kinds of thoughts. All beliefs are thoughts. Not all thoughts are beliefs. That's the difference between thoughts and beliefs.

Originally posted by @romans1009
Almost as tautological as when you said the definition of death was being dead.

It's not "tautological".

Originally posted by @fmf
It's not "tautological".

I guess the blind hog found his acorn. You’re right - your definition of death was tautological but your definition of belief is not. It’s just inaccurate and silly.

Clear the pool! I gotta whiz!

Originally posted by @romans1009
BTW, your claim that suzianne and I are “pissing in the pool” sounds an awful lot like projection, amigo

Anyone who tries to deflect or smear disagreement as being that of "haters" is "pissing in the pool". So I don't know what you mean by "projection" because I can't remember calling anyone here in this community a "hater".

Originally posted by @fmf
Anyone who tries to deflect or smear disagreement as being that of "haters" is "pissing in the pool". So I don't know what you mean by "projection" because I can't remember calling anyone here in this community a "hater".

No, you just endlessly ask the same questions over and over after they’ve already been answered, misrepresent what other posters have said and ignore questions you can’t answer without exposing what you think is rubbish.

Originally posted by @romans1009
Almost as tautological as when you said the definition of death was being dead.

Beliefs are kinds of thoughts. All beliefs are thoughts. Not all thoughts are beliefs.

Robins are kinds of birds. All robins are birds. Not all birds are robins. I am only spelling it out in this way because you keep asking me what the difference is between beliefs and thoughts and you seem to think that I have somehow suggested that they are "absolute synonyms".

Originally posted by @romans1009
No, you just endlessly ask the same questions over and over after they’ve already been answered, misrepresent what other posters have said and ignore questions you can’t answer without exposing what you think is rubbish.

Anyone actually doing stuff like this isn't "pissing in the pool" to my way of thinking. I have used the term "pissing in the pool" to refer to you claiming you have seen "haters" on this site in the few days you have been here.

Originally posted by @fmf
Beliefs are kinds of thoughts. All beliefs are thoughts. Not all thoughts are beliefs.

Robins are kinds of birds. All robins are thoughts. Not all birds are robins. I am only spelling it out in this way because you keep asking me what the difference is between beliefs and thoughts and you seem to think that I have somehow suggested that they are "absolute synonyms".

I suggested that once and moved on after your response.

I most recently asked if your definition of belief had an external factor to it and you indicated that it did not, that it was only something “firmly held.”

Originally posted by @romans1009
I most recently asked if your definition of belief had an external factor to it and you indicated that it did not, that it was only something “firmly held.”

What is your definition of belief? I gave you mine when you asked for it.