‘Eternal suffering’ is nonsensical

Originally posted by @freakykbh
You're trying--- and rightfully failing--- to apply the logic of your limited and extremely short-sighted thinking to absolute truth: no wonder you're in a perpetual state of confusion.
The scale of values you hold simply aren't enough to spark the engine, let alone keep it going.

It's been said before and apparently requires repeating:
[b]No one die ...[text shortened]... the ocean squeaking out your protest against the tidal wave... and the stars don't even notice.

The Bible is clear in Ezekiel 18:20
The one who sins is the one who will die.

Are you sure the Bible says different - I'd like to read that some day.

The Bible is also clear that once you are saved you must sin no more. You obviously can not have yourself saved quickly and then go sin and expect God to forgive you - seriously, that is the dumbest thing I would have ever heard if that is what you're saying that you're actually believing in................... is it?

Originally posted by @nicksten
You're making it sound like God is cruel but instead the Bible is clear that God is love...

(Your closing)... is really just stupid, ignorant and completely false.

I presume from the level of indignation and insult in your post that you are a proponent of the doctrine of eternal suffering; that there will be untold numbers of people/souls in hell who are being supernaturally kept alive while being burnt alive for eternity ... and all overseen by a version of Jesus which you claim is coherent with a god of love and specifically John 3:16?

Originally posted by @divegeester
I presume from the level of indignation and insult in your post that you are a proponent of the doctrine of eternal suffering; that there will be untold numbers of people/souls in hell who are being supernaturally kept alive while being burnt alive for eternity ... and all overseen by a version of Jesus which you claim is coherent with a god of love and specifically John 3:16?

I had a long thought of your post now...

Sparing those to lookup the verse John 3:16 reads "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Thus... coming back to your OP I can conclude the following:

- Jesus knocking on the door of a sinners heart calls out: “let me in”
An action from Jesus, taking the first step to the sinner, proving a loving God.

- Sinner replies: “why?”
The very fact that the sinner doesn't even know Jesus is there and spoke to him/her indicates a person that believes he is without sin.

- Jesus persists: “so I can save you”
Reason. You gave the verse of John 3:16 yourself divegeester, and that is because "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

- Sinner is inquisitive: “save me from what?”
God is clear - we have all sinned.

- Jesus closes: “from what I’ll do to you in hell if you don’t let me in”
If you quote John 3:16 and you quote the above - is God loving or not?

^^
It is impossible to be without sin. The only sinless person ever was Jesus. Its true that if you believe that Jesus is the only son of God and that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. BUT, Jesus also warned a man in John 5:14 "Afterward, Jesus found the man and told him, “See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you”".

I'm pretty sure it is common sense that once you have believed in the Son of God, that you should stop sinning or there may be consequences. Right? Or is this where you differ?

Originally posted by @nicksten
Thus your "closing" of what you "think" Jesus would respond is really just stupid, ignorant and completely false.

It's a pity that you simply bailed out and tacked this oddly personalized assertion onto the end of a post that seemed to show some promise that you were going to end with a coherent point of view about the consequence of a lack of belief and who has created that consequence.

Originally posted by @nicksten
I had a long thought of your post now...

Sparing those to lookup the verse John 3:16 reads "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Thus... coming back to your OP I can conclude the following:

- Jesus knocking on the door of a sinners heart calls out: “let ...[text shortened]... , that you should stop sinning or there may be consequences. Right? Or is this where you differ?

Or....you could address the content of my post.

Originally posted by @fmf
It's a pity that you simply bailed out and tacked this oddly personalized assertion onto the end of a post that seemed to show some promise that you were going to end with a coherent point of view about the consequence of a lack of belief and who has created that consequence.

Sorry I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Originally posted by @nicksten
I had a long thought of your post now...

Sparing those to lookup the verse John 3:16 reads "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Thus... coming back to your OP I can conclude the following:

- Jesus knocking on the door of a sinners heart calls out: “let ...[text shortened]... , that you should stop sinning or there may be consequences. Right? Or is this where you differ?

According to your own belief or understanding, what are the consequences for person of not believing in the Jesus “who so loved them that he died for them”?

Originally posted by @nicksten
I have tried reading most of the posts to get behind the story but its the same old same old...

In my opinion there is a few things I find wrong with the "dialog" between Jesus and the sinner.

Firstly, that is not the way Jesus would approach a sinner instead it is the way man will approach sinners.
You're making it sound like God is cruel but inste ...[text shortened]... g" of what you "think" Jesus would respond is really just stupid, ignorant and completely false.

And I think that what you missed is that DG was supplying this dialogue as a sarcastic angle on what another poster was saying. It is not his own belief.

Originally posted by @nicksten
Sorry I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Well, that may explain why you are struggling a bit in this environment.

Originally posted by @suzianne
And I think that what you missed is that DG was supplying this dialogue as a sarcastic angle on what another poster was saying. It is not his own belief.

Perhaps Nicksten has no idea what anyone's trying to say.

Originally posted by @suzianne
And I think that what you missed is that DG was supplying this dialogue as a sarcastic angle on what another poster was saying. It is not his own belief.

Has he unequivocally shared his own true belief on the topic? I would be interested to see it. The last time I asked him he said he didn't know.

Originally posted by @divegeester
According to your own belief or understanding, what are the consequences for person of not believing in the Jesus “who so loved them that he died for them”?

The straight answer is in Mark 16:16

"He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned."

I believe that.

Do I get that you're going in the direction that we're all saved because irrespective whether we believe in Christ or not that we're all saved anyway because of his crucifixion?

Originally posted by @fmf
Perhaps Nicksten has no idea what anyone's trying to say.

I simply didn't understand what you tried to say to me, now you're trying to put me in a whole different bucket - go figure.

Originally posted by @suzianne
And I think that what you missed is that DG was supplying this dialogue as a sarcastic angle on what another poster was saying. It is not his own belief.

If thats the case - then its clear I missed it, but still a good point to discuss.

From dj2becker post it is clear it was not that - so what now?

Originally posted by @nicksten
The straight answer is in Mark 16:16

"He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned."

I believe that.

Do I get that you're going in the direction that we're all saved because irrespective whether we believe in Christ or not that we're all saved anyway because of his crucifixion?

This thread is about the nonsensical notion that a god, Jesus in fact, will love the world and all in it so much that he is prepared to die for them, and then, if rejected, he will be in hell with his angels burning the rejectors alive for all eternity. Burning people alive for eternity. It’s nonsense. That is what this thread is about.

I refuse to believe it. It is error. It is abhorrent. It is nonsense.

What do you believe about it?